David Dundas-Jeans On
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Topic: David Dundas-Jeans On
Posted By: Robert
Subject: David Dundas-Jeans On
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 5:57pm
Surprise surprise. This song is in stereo. Probably rivaling the crummiest stereo ever produced, but stereo nonetheless. It appears on the vinyl LP "David Dundas" (Chrysalis CHR 1141). The stereo is apparent (if you are in a soundproof room with headphones and no children within 2 miles)at :52 seconds, when some kind of synthesized instrument jumps into the song at about 1 degree (!) to the left. And if that's not enough to shake the universe, the LP version times out at 3:18, and my promo 45 version clocks in at a tad short of 2:38. Now the question is: which one of these puppies is the single? Is the 3:18 LP version also the 45 and the 2:38 version a DJ edit? Or is the DJ version also the 45 version, which would necessitate a change in the database to denote that all the (mono)the entries are in fact, the 45 version. All I have is a promo. And a rapidly-developing headache.
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 11:22pm
Hi Robert,
I own the commercial 45 & it's labeled 2:37.
I also own the longer album version in stereo on an import vinyl compilation album.
Believe it or not, the commercial single is also stereo, albeit a tad narrower(!) than the album.
Andy
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 11:24pm
I forgot to mention that at least a couple of the CDs ARE dead mono (such as Rhino Have A Nice Day--Super Hits vol. 19)
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 6:50am
Even though the commercial copy states a running time of (2:37), what is the actual running time? And is this (2:37) version an edit of the LP or just an early fade?
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Posted By: Robert
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 8:42am
Thanks for the info, Andrew. That tells me that the 45 and DJ are the same and that the longer version is indeed the LP version. Pat, The 45 is definitely not an early fade. On the LP the verse "When I Wake Up..." appears at 2:28 and then again at 2:58. On the single it appears only once, but then I believe there is some added editing to extend the fade to where the 45 faded. The exact time on my 45 is just shy of 2:38 (2:37.962 to be exact).
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Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 18 April 2008 at 11:31am
Pat Downey wrote:
Even though the commercial copy states a running time of (2:37), what is the actual running time? | Pat, the actual run time is (2:34), and I can also confirm for you that my commercial 45 is in stereo.
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 18 April 2008 at 12:10pm
Can the LP version be edited to recreate the 45 version?
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 18 April 2008 at 1:00pm
Never mind, think I figured it out... :)
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 02 April 2010 at 1:00pm
Currently going through all 400 songs on Rhino's Have A Nice Day series (!) for a thread on the Steve Hoffman board, and thought I'd share what I found for "Jeans On":
From vinyl on HAND? I hear a tick/pop in the word "have" at 0:50, I hear a little crackling on the fade, and it fades to silence with no hiss. On HAND, it runs 2:34 and it's true mono. That's the 45 length, but the 45 was in in extremely narrow stereo. It's not an early fade of the LP version either - there's one edit at 2:26 inside the fade that loops an earlier vocal line for the fade, plus the 45 just slightly shortens the pause at 1:13. (The LP version keeps the beat, the 45 shortens it to less than a beat.)
MUCH better are any of the LP versions that appear on foreign compilations. The best is probably on EMI Australia's 5-CD Seventies Complete Vol. 2 (1997), where it has a nice dynamic range and has a reasonably centered soundstage. Plus, it doesn't sound like it's underwater, like HAND. The best indication that it's in true stereo is a brief synth part, panned just left of center from 0:53-0:55. Not nearly as good as the Australian collection are Disky's The Beat Goes On Vol. 9 (1997; brassy EQ, everything panned left, slightly compressed), Disky's 8-CD Wow That Was The 70's (1999; VERY brassy EQ, everything panned left, VERY compressed), and Disky's 8-CD Greatest Hits Of The '70s (2000; better EQ, soundstage centered, VERY compressed).
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 03 April 2010 at 9:41am
crapfromthepast wrote:
Currently going through all 400 songs on Rhino's Have A Nice Day series (!) |
Actually, that must be a typo. There were 300 songs in that series - unless you found another 8 volumes beyond the 25 volumes they put out! :)
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 03 April 2010 at 5:08pm
Ack! No math on weekends! :)
Yeah, 300. It just FEELS like 400...
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Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 03 April 2010 at 5:23pm
I believe it was Rhino's Have A Nice Week series that had 400 songs. ;)
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Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 04 April 2010 at 1:51pm
The LP version of "Jeans On" also appeared on a budget disc called "A Lifetime of Music for the 21st Century, Pop Music in the 70's Vol.3". It was produced by Madacy. The bizarre thing was that it includes the long versions of Santa Esmeralda's "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" and Silver Convention's "Get Up and Boogie". Usually both are edits. The disc was released in the late 90's.
------------- the way it was heard on the radio
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 24 December 2011 at 8:53am
here is another one that'll drive us nuts....my
commercial 45 issued as chrysalis 2094 states the run
time on the label as 2:37 and does indeed run
2:37......it sounds exactly like the version from the cd
version on "super hits of the 70's volume 19" except it
runs about 0:03 LONGER than the cd version.....the
etching in the run out groove is..."chs-2094-as-re-
1".....is it possible that there are more than one
version of this 45....can anyone else state their 45's
etching so we can figure this one out......also...my 45
sounds mono, but it could be a very, very, very narrow
stereo.....but sounds mono to me.....it sounds exactly
like the super hits of the 70's cd version, just longer
------------- edtop40
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 24 December 2011 at 9:18am
My commercial copy agrees with Ed's.
Maybe a pressing plant variation between this and Jim's slightly shorter copy? I was living on the west coast when I picked up my copy of this.
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 24 December 2011 at 10:21am
The version used on "Super Hits of the '70s Vol. 19" was pulled from vinyl. I'm almost certain it was faded 3 seconds merely early to hide the obvious sounds of vinyl which would be most present during the song's fade. Despite its year of release, the 45 was indeed released in mono (or I suppose virtual mono, as one person above found a sound that was 1 degree over from the center at 0:52). I don't know of any US stereo 45s. BUT ... there are several UK CDs that contain the song in stereo. However, they are longer than the US 45 and don't have the edit that occurs near the end of the US 45. I took the stereo mix on an import CD, did the one edit that was on the 45, and faded accordingly, effectively creating the version I always heard on the radio, but in nice stereo. And btw, regarding the edit, it's not a typical edit that simply snips a portion. As I recall, it goes BACK to a previous spot to repeat, "I put my blue jeans on, I put my old blue jeans on" 3 more times (which does not happen on the UK versions.)
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 25 December 2011 at 9:07am
Jim reports a commercial 45 running time of (2:37) and Ed reports a running time of (2:34) -- do we have two different pressings of this 45?
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 25 December 2011 at 5:56pm
Pat Downey wrote:
Jim reports a commercial 45 running time of (2:37) and Ed reports a running time of (2:34) -- do we have two different pressings of this 45? |
Actually, it's the other way around...Jim had the slightly shorter one.
Jim...what's the matrix # on yours?
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Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 26 July 2015 at 8:05am
Bringing this topic back up... I noticed Jim never
responded with his 45's matrix info.
------------- Live in stereo.
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 26 July 2015 at 8:27pm
my commercial 45 issued as chrysalis 2094 has the run out
groove info as "CHS-2094-AS RE-1"...and it runs
2:37.....don't know where the 2:34 time came from.....pat,
my commercial 45 definetly runs 2:37.....
------------- edtop40
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 28 October 2015 at 8:16pm
Revisiting "Jeans On", five years later...
It appears that the LP version and the UK 45 are in extremely narrow stereo. The synthy instrument at 0:53 is panned just-so-slightly to the left, as noted above. Everything else is pretty much centered.
The LP/UK 45 version runs about 3:16. The ending of the LP/UK 45 version is looped - the 52 beats from 1:59 to 2:29 are repeated from 2:29 to 2:58. The same 52-beat passage begins one more time at 2:58, but extends only for 32 beats, with a 32-beat fade from 2:58 to about 3:16.
I prefer the LP/UK 45 version on Disky UK's 8-CD Greatest Hits Of The '70s (2000), which runs 3:16. It has a decent dynamic range, a slightly brassy EQ, and seems to be from a tape source. The track uses a drum machine, and there's a little tape drift, so the song starts at 104.7 BPM and ends at about 105.0 BPM. There's an edit at 2:58, which you can hear if you listen for it. The edit also shows up as a discontinuity between adjacent beats.
The LP/UK 45 version also sounds good on EMI Australia's 5-CD Seventies Complete Vol. 2 (1999), where it runs 3:17 and seems to be taken from a tape source. I've said bad things about the EMI Australia 5-CD sets, but this track sounds quite nice here.
Unless my ears fail me, I believe I found two UK CDs that have an electronically processed for stereo version of the LP/UK 45 version! That's right, the dreaded (E)! Avoid Disky UK's Beat Goes On Vol. 9 (1997) and Disky UK's 8-CD Wow That Was The 70's (1999), both of which pan everything to the left (in an E sort of way) and warble when summed to mono.
I have two different needledrops of the 45, and both show a non-musical thunk about 0.1 seconds before the keyboards kick in. It's probably a mastering error, and isn't on the CDs I listed above. One needledrop of the 45 runs 2:37; the other runs about 2:35 but includes noise reduction so it's tough to hear where the fade ends. It, too, is the same very narrow stereo, with the synthy instrument panned slightly left at 0:53.
The US 45 version can be edited down from the LP/UK 45 version. Here are editing instructions, using Disky UK's 8-CD Greatest Hits Of The '70s (2000) as the source:
Segment 1
254 beats long
Extends from 0:00.0 to 2:25.7 of US 45 version and LP/UK 45 version
Ends on a downbeat
Remove the 32 beats from 2:25.7 to 2:44.0 of the LP/UK 45 version.
Segment 2
Begins on a downbeat
25 beats long
Extends from 2:25.7 to 2:39.9 of US 45 version
Extends from 2:44.0 to 2:58.2 of LP/UK 45 version
Ends on a snare
Fade
45 beats long
Extends from 2:14.3 to 2:39.9 of US 45 version
You'll have to do the edit first, then do the fade afterward, because the fade extends over the edit.
Your mixdown will run 2:39.9, with an edit at 2:25.7 and a 45-beat fade from 2:14.3 to 2:39.9.
The version on Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 19 (1993) is pretty darn close to the US, but differs in four ways: (1) it omits the thunk at 0:00, (2) it's mixed to true mono, (3) it shortens the pause at 0:37 by about 0.02 seconds, which isn't all that significant but it visibly throws off the beats in the waveform, and (4) it runs a little short at 2:34. It also sounds like it's underwater, compared to the LP versions I listed above. In the US, it appears that all the CDs that feature the song are based on the Have A Nice Day Vol. 19 mastering, so you're out of luck unless you look for a UK disc.
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 28 October 2015 at 8:53pm
crapfromthepast wrote:
I believe I found two UK CDs
that have an electronically processed for stereo
version of the LP/UK 45 version! That's right, the
dreaded (E)! |
And then there's the true stereo version I have on a various artist UK 2-CD set "40 No. 1 Hits". That's my "go to" version. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I edited it to match the edit of the US mono 45, but this way I get to hear it in true stereo and not E or mono.
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Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 29 October 2015 at 12:53am
Please accept my profound apologies for both the long delay in re-
checking my "Jeans On" 45, and for an inaccurate actual timing report
made back in 2008. "Senior Moments" are especially frustrating when
ultra-minute details and deep research are one's supposed area of
expertise. Gotta find some vintage notebook paper, and write "I will try
harder to be more accurate in the future" 500 times, like my CT teachers
made us do back in grammar school. (Ah, the good old days...)
I have no clue why I ever reported an actual run time of (2:34), as my
attached Post-it note has stated forever "listed and actual time (2:37)". My
re-timing tonight confirms (2:37), and that it runs just short of (2:38),
exactly as Robert's original post had noted. I own three stock 45s (all
confirmed as Chrysalis 2094). All three of them have the exact same
deadwax info: "CHS-2094-AS RE-1". There are three forceful, transitional
keyboard notes that appear twice during the song (the first at around :52,
as Robert had indicated earlier), and those are clearly the most stereo
notes of the song, and jumped out pretty clearly, even to my "OK at best"
ear for sonic detail.
I also own two Chrysalis 2094 promo 45 copies. The stereo side for both
copies has the exact same deadwax info as my 3 stock copies do, while
the mono side's deadwax is identical, save for one character - an "M"
where the "S" appeared on the stereo side. The mono side also has both a
listed & actual time of (2:37); again just short of (2:38).
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