G. Lightfoot-"If You Could Read My Mind"
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Topic: G. Lightfoot-"If You Could Read My Mind"
Posted By: jrjr
Subject: G. Lightfoot-"If You Could Read My Mind"
Date Posted: 02 January 2007 at 11:18am
| i notice that some versions of this have a harmony vocal on the chorus and some do not... which is the correct "45 version"??? i know that gordo has re-recorded some of his material for gord's gold and gord's gold II... |
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 02 January 2007 at 12:13pm
| The 45 version is a remix and has the harmony. |
Posted By: jrjr
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 11:16am
| pulled out a promo 45 of "mind" on white reprise label and both sides stereo/mono were solo vocal, no background... i wonder if the commercial 45 is the harmony vocal mix... |
Posted By: BradOlson
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 3:39pm
| Yes, it is the commercial 45 that has the harmony vocals and this is the version that "Gord's Gold" features. |
Posted By: BillCahill
Date Posted: 04 January 2007 at 5:47pm
| Really? Were there two 45 mixes? I picked up a stock copy of the 45, and it contains the same single vocal mix heard on the album version. The only place I can find multi-tracked vocals is on Gord's Gold. Gord's Gold also sound like a different reverb unit was used. Was the mono dj 45 different with those extra vocals? Is there a second 45 stock mix? I am comparing with an original Reprise stock 45 and it does not match Gord's Gold. My Reprise stock single matches the typical single voice version heard on most CDs. |
Posted By: BradOlson
Date Posted: 04 January 2007 at 7:03pm
| There are 45s that have the harmony vocals added. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 04 January 2007 at 8:02pm
| For those of us that would like to obtain both versions of this song can you please pass along the matrix number of the version with the double tracked vocals? My dry version has matrix number M 17780 S 1A. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 21 March 2010 at 3:40pm
| Are the stock 45s for this song mono or stereo? |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 21 March 2010 at 6:49pm
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I've always been under the assumption that the entire Gord's Gold album contained remixed/new versions of songs, not their original single/album versions. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 21 March 2010 at 9:21pm
Brian, my stock copy is stereo. Ditto for at least the '70s-era Back To Back Hits reissue on Reprise (GRE 0744.) Its flip side, "Me And Bobby McGee," which was the first single issued from the Sit Down Young Stranger LP, is in mono. |
Brian W. wrote:Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 22 March 2010 at 10:31am
Thanks. But I should have asked, too -- is your copy the remixed version or the LP mix? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 22 March 2010 at 8:26pm
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It's the same as the LP mix, Brian. No harmony vocal at all. Same with the reissue 45.
Interestingly, the stock 45 has noticeably wider stereo separation than the reissue 45. My http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/GordonLightfoot-IfYouCouldReadMyMin.jpg - stock copy's label states "From the Reprise Album RS 6392 - Sit Down Young Stranger." The reissue credits the revised If You Could Read My Mind album title. Are there original stock copies with the revised LP title listed on the label? |
Posted By: RichM921
Date Posted: 24 March 2010 at 6:34am
Yes and no. The double album set "Gord's Gold Vol 1 & 2" did contain some re-recorded material but it was only the songs that Gordon originally recorded earlier in his career before he hit the charts. All of his '70s hit material on the double album is the original version. Then you have "Gord's Gold Vol 3" which is ALL re-recorded including a redo of "The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald." |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 24 March 2010 at 9:17pm
There hasn't been a Gord's Gold Volume III yet. The 1988 set was Volume II. The 1975 double-LP was the first volume. While most of the tracks on Volume II were re-recordings, four were the original versions, as listed in the CD liner notes under "production credits from original masters:" "Make Way (For The Lady)" "Ghosts Of Cape Horn" "Baby Step Back" "It's Worth Believin'" |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 24 March 2010 at 11:06pm
I've just discovered a mono/stereo promotional copy of this 45 in my collection....having the last 3,000 or so 45's ive aquired in boxes without any organization, i often never know what I have when it isn't filed away properly.... the mono side has the matrix numer M-17780-DJ 1B and the stereo side has M-17780-S 1A (i assume it must be the same promo 45 that you have). I have a stock 45 too and haven't played it in years but it contained the single track vocal version as well. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: RichM921
Date Posted: 25 March 2010 at 6:12am
You're right on all the above, thanks. I should have checked first. I'm getting too old to rely on memory alone! |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 05 March 2017 at 11:01pm
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A few months back Jim A. was kind enough to send me a dub
of his mono promo Reprise 0974. Listed time (3:48) but actual (3:46). Unfortunately, I don't have access to the deadwax info but the mix on Jim's mono side does not match the reported mono copies above. His mono copy HAS the harmony vocals, but it is not a fold-down of the stereo harmony vocal mix. This is a dedicated mix with a LOT more reverb on his vocal than either the stereo LP or the stereo 45. The strings are also mixed differently, and they too are awash with reverb - but different reverb than the vocal and louder in the mix. I tried to re-create this mono mix by adding lots of reverb too the Gord's Gold CD source, but it can't be done. As soon as I got the vocal reverb close - the strings reverb didn't match and they weren't nearly loud enough. Also, in the final verse and chorus the cello is mixed very prominently. Very nice mix - the orchestra sounds very lush and full. MM |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 07 March 2017 at 1:41pm
| I'm usually not a big fan of mono mixes (even when they're dedictated mono mixes, I usually choose the stereo mix), but I have to admit - from reading Mark's description, this one sounds very interesting. |
Posted By: JL328
Date Posted: 09 January 2018 at 5:00pm
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So, just to clarify (or cause more confusion).... were there two different
stereo/mono promos? |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 13 March 2018 at 4:58pm
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I am reasonably sure that Reprise re-serviced this single
with the harmony vocals later on when the LP title changed. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Edoz
Date Posted: 11 April 2018 at 6:13pm
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So...if I'm reading this thread correctly...there was (1) a mono/stereo promo single and (2) a stereo-only commercial single in two pressings with different mixes. Yes?
(Thanks!) |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 26 April 2018 at 4:42am
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Yes, both got promotionally released, and commercially
released. When the album title changed, and the harmony vocals got added, the promo got reserviced to radio stations. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 22 October 2018 at 8:52pm
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I have two different stock 45s, one mono and one stereo, and neither one has the harmony vocal on the last two choruses (at 2:09 and 3:03).
One of my stock 45s has a machine stamped matrix of M-17780- S -1E. (This is the mono copy.) The other stock 45 also has a machine stamped matrix, but this one is M 17780 S -1 A. (This is the stereo copy.) Again, these both lack the harmony vocal in the last two choruses. I have a promo 45 that is mono/stereo. Deadwax for the mono is 0974 M-17780-DJ 1B. Deadwax for the stereo side is 0974 M-17780-S 1A. The mono side DOES have the harmony vocal on the last two choruses. The stereo side does NOT have the harmony vocal. In conclusion, I do not have any stereo copies of the version with the harmony vocal as found on Gord's Gold, but it would seem that at least some 45 copies do have this mix. If you have either a stock copy or promo copy different than mine, can you please post details of what is on it? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 23 October 2018 at 6:40pm
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In case my question in the post above was missed:
Who has a stereo 45 of the remix with harmony vocals? It has been reported that they exist, but to date, I've only been able to find a stereo 45 without the harmony vocal. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 24 October 2018 at 1:17am
| Exactly how many versions of this song (including all versions on vinyl, re-recordings for Gord's Gold, mono, stereo) exist? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 October 2018 at 5:54am
At this point, I'm inclined to say no. The promo dead wax reported by Tom is the same as the copy I have. The mono side has harmony vocals on the last two choruses, while the stereo does not. I'm also still not convinced that stock copies contain the harmony vocals. My copies, Pat's copy, Bill's copy, John's copies, and a few different YouTube dubs of the 45 are all of the non-harmony version. I'd like to know definitively that a US stock copy exists (or doesn't) with the harmony vocals, preferably in stereo, as that's the only mix on CD that is yet to be matched with a vinyl 45. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 12 January 2019 at 1:22pm
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All the database entries are stereo. Does that mean they all have the harmony vocals? None of the entries are labeled (except for the remix on Gord's Gold) so I was wondering if any of them differed. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 January 2019 at 1:57pm
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Only Gord's Gold has the harmony vocals in stereo. All other stereo
copies are without the harmony vocals. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 12 January 2019 at 2:33pm
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Thanks for the quick response Aaron. So will the upcoming singles CD release on Real Gone Music contain a mono or stereo version, with or without the harmony vocals? ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 12 January 2019 at 3:46pm
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This is so confusing...LOL So which is the true 45 version and is that the one
the radio stations played? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 January 2019 at 4:48pm
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It's actually pretty straightforward, but I believe there is some
misinformation in this thread. Stock copy #1: stereo & matches the LP version (no harmony vocals) Stock copy #2: mono and quite possibly a fold-down of the stereo (no harmony vocals) Promo copy mono side: dedicated mix with harmony vocals Promo copy stereo side: same as stock copy #1 and LP version (no harmony vocals) Gord's Gold: stereo mix with harmony vocals (to my knowledge appears nowhere else) I recommended using the stereo LP/45 version, as that seems to be the most common version on US 45s. Also, I'm fairly confident the mono is just a fold-down. I haven't compared them note-for-note, but it's not the same dedicated mix that appears on the promo 45. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 10:32am
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I have the digital 45 of this song which I think also has
the harmony vocals. The harmony vocal versions start with the opening acoustic guitar more centered vs. the non- harmony versions where the opening guitar is more in the left channel. Am I correct on this, sorta? lol. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 19 January 2019 at 7:17pm
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Spotify has a single of it on there. Not sure what version it is. I truly like the
Gord's Gold version even though that's not the 45 version. |
Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 24 May 2019 at 7:22am
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A poster on SteveHoffman.TV said yesterday:
"I just got a copy of the budget Rhino CD "An Introduction to Gordon Lightfoot" and it contains the harmony vocal version of "If You Could Read My Mind" in stereo." Which was released 6-29-18... |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 12:35pm
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I don't have the "An Introduction To" CD, but the version of "If You Could Read My Mind" on the "Complete Greatest Hits" CD also has the harmony vocals.
To sum up what I have read in this thread you can find the stereo WITH harmony vocals on these three CD releases (all documented above): Gord's Gold Complete Greatest Hits An Introduction To ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |