billy vera "at this moment"
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Topic: billy vera "at this moment"
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: billy vera "at this moment"
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 8:32pm
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pat...
do any of the cds contain the correct 45 version WITHOUT the 0:05 spoken intro?....i edited the front 0:05 of spoken intro (which is not on the commercial 45) and faded the ending 0:03 to come up with the correct 45 version which runs 4:10, even though the 45's label states the run time as 4:15..... ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 2:24am
| What is the spoken intro? I don't think I've ever heard it(or remember it). What is said on it? I checked out my version on the Rhino set Omigod! and it doesn't have any spoken intro. It does time at 4:14. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 4:10am
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my cd version starts off with billy saying "this one's called 'at this moment'"....then the audience howles then the piano starts......the 45 version starts cold with the piano and a guy howling in the background........the omigod box set starts cold??.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 5:52am
| The vinyl LP version contains the vocal introduction and the 45 (Rhino 74403) does not contain this introduction and yes as Ed points out the audience applause is :02 to :03 longer on the cd's on which this song appears. To get the appropriate 45 version you can use any of the cd's listed in the database that run (4:12 or 4:13) and simply fade the ending by a few seconds. If you want the LP version, use Eclipse 64620, K-Tel 898 or Razor & Tie 25069. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 7:16pm
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I have a version from TM Century that runs 3:28 and starts with piano. Was there a DJ edit, or is this a TM Century edit? This seems to be the version I hear the most on the radio these days... Oh, and this is recorded live.
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Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 8:29pm
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To eriejwg:
The 3:28 edit is the original 45 edit when it was released the first time in 1981. Andy |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 6:51am
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Thanks, Andrew.
I saw that notation for the 1981 release in the database, but figured that was a studio version, perhaps. TM Century must have had it in their library from that point in time. Like I said, the local stations these days play what apparently is the 1981 edit since they apparently have the GoldDisc library. |
Posted By: MPH711
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 8:05am
| I think most radio stations play the edit version because no one wants to hear the "drag-out" vocals near the end to the song. I like the edit version much better. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 12:55pm
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eriejwg wrote:Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 2:49pm
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Now that you bring it up Jim, I do remember that song being on Family Ties. Watched that show all the time.
And, I remember the 1986-1987 Monkees era as the station I worked then brought Davy, Peter and Mickey here to a small, 3000 seat theater. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 6:54pm
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Yeah, but does anybody remember that the version used on 'Family Ties' was a STUDIO version??
Where was that released? And does anybody have a dub? Andy |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 7:25pm
| Andy, a studio version of "At This Moment" can be found on a 2002 Varese CD, entitled "Billy Vera & The Beaters--At This Moment: A Retrospective". It is currently being offered on Amazon.com. Whether it is THE same studio version that was used on "Family Ties", that I do not know. |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 9:03pm
| a sidenote on the Monkees part of Jim's post - the year was 1986 not 1987 - I remember buying all the Rhino re-issues of the original LPs that fall as well (including 1970's "Changes" - erk!). |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 9:07pm
| Thanks, Chuck - of course, you are correct about the year being 1986. The show began in Sept. 1966, so 1986 was the year for the "20th Anniversary Hoopla." I was obviously experiencing "end of a long post fatigue!" :) |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 06 October 2007 at 11:56am
I've always wondered about this, since I have a promo copy with a blank white label with a typed title/artist sticker stuck to it that has Dolenz and Tork listed. Shouldn't the promos all say "The Monkees"? |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 06 October 2007 at 1:56pm
| My apologies: the last thing I intended to do by bringing the Monkees up earlier was to "hijack" the "At This Moment" thread! Vanmeter, here's the story: A simply BRILLIANT ploy, pulled off by Arista CEO Clive Davis. He knew full well that Michael Nesmith would IMMEDIATELY sue Arista, if he'd used "The Monkees" name anywhere on the "That Was Then, This Is Now" 45. So he never did, but he DID skillfully manage to create his desired "public and radio confusion" here. The first promo 45 we got in to the station simply had a blank white label, with NO writing on EITHER side of it. This promo was put inside the same picture sleeve that they used for the commercial 45 (which was PLASTERED with a large "Monkees 20th Anniversary Reunion: A Brand New 1986 Recording" logo on one side, and a large picture of the new "Then & Now...Best Of The Monkees" LP cover photo (which featured head shots of all 4 Monkees, by the way) on the other side of the pic sleeve. THIS was the side of the pic sleeve, in the lower right corner, where Arista added ONE small, "cover-their-asses" touch to the sleeves they sent to radio: As Vanmeter states, they added a white sticker, which is the same size as the ones businesses have used for years to send magazines through the mail. On it, it said, in all-capital, typewritten letters, "The three new recordings on this album were performed by Mickey (sp) Dolenz and Peter Tork (Of The Monkees.)" But NOWHERE on this sleeve itself is this fact EVER mentioned. One thing, though, Vanmeter - Our "sticker" WASN'T stuck to the promo 45 label itself, it was affixed to the pic sleeve; you may wanna check yours again. Most of us radio guys were terrible at keeping track of 45 sleeves (we'd usually lose them immediately; can you say, "Goodbye, sticker/small print!"), and besides, we usually payed NO attention to such details anyway. If it was something we needed to know, our Arista record rep would always tell us. So, to us, it was a "Monkees" record, because we initially saw the big "Monkees" pic sleeve, and our Arista guy always referred to the record that way himself, while trying to convince us to start playing it! I also have a "standard" Arista promo 45 for this song, with the "correct" artist listing, and NO sticker on the pic sleeve. BOTH of these promo 45s had the EXACT same deadwax info: "ASI-9505-SA 39" on one side, and "ASI-9505-SA 82" on the other, so there was no "rush release" thing going on here. This was simply just an Arista attempt to confuse radio a little, obscuring the details in the name of profit, knowing we'd be MUCH more apt to add a "new track, by the suddenly HOT again Monkees" (due to those nightly MTV sitcom reruns) than we would a new song that simply listed the names of the two involved members. Labels would sometimes try to draw attention to a new release by sending us a blank, white label promo, usually with handwritten song/artist details as the only information, trying to give the release a "hot off the press" feel. Other times, they would send us 45s this way, just to simply make good use of successful "test pressing" 45 copies. Hope I've been able to answer your question, Vanmeter. And I apologize for my earlier, incorrect recollection of "Arista had to change the artist on the 45" post. it is AMAZING what comes back to me when I go back, pull and analyze the original promo 45s!!!!!! |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 10 October 2007 at 3:00pm
Speaking of re-issues, the year 1989 has always fascinated me. Looking back, many old singles came back to the charts that year - Sheriff's "When I'm With You"; Benny Mardones "Into the Night"; Jimmy Harnen & Synch's "Where are you Now"; Moving Pictures "What About Me", and a number of others. It was interesting reading Billboard and seeing articles on "the next oldie to come back". Well...even though the next couple of years were still pretty good, music-wise, that was around the time good music started to dwindle (IMHO) - maybe radio didn't have enough good hits and had to look in the "should've been" file!(?) |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 10 October 2007 at 3:29pm
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Also add to the list "Send Me An Angel '89" in which the group re-recorded their 1984 smash.
Benny Mardones also re-recorded "Into The Night" that year. Of course, both songs were on Curb. Seems like a ton on Curb is a re-recording. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 1:48pm
| My timing information is slightly different than Ed's. I'm getting an actual run time of (4:12) for "At This Moment," which is exactly the same length as what's on the Omigod! box set. I compared the two, and the fade out is exactly the same on both. |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 6:01pm
Once again, my aging memory takes the cake...you're absolutely right, now that I've gone and looked at mine. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 7:01pm
Add "Unchained Melody" on Curb to the 1989 re-recording list (available only on cassette singles IIRC). Also, didn't Motown re-release "Do You Love Me" by the Contours around that time too? |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 16 November 2007 at 10:23pm
I think that was early '88, tying into Dirty Dancing fever. But that was the original recording, right? Motown also put out a commercial 12" single with remixes, which I haven't heard in years. Does anyone remember if the remixes used newly-recorded vocals? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 9:48pm
| The 1988 re-release of the Contours' "Do You Love Me" was indeed the original recording. It's interesting to learn there was a commercial 12" single with remixes because I heard the song on the radio a ton back in '88, but don't recall hearing any remixed versions. |
Posted By: TimNeely
Date Posted: 10 January 2008 at 12:08am
Might be true of promos, but not of stock copies. Original stock copies of the 45 have the artist credit on "That Was Then, This Is Now" as THE MONKEES, and the picture sleeve indicates "A Brand New 1986 Recording". Only after that initial release were the artist credits changed to MICKEY DOLENZ AND PETER TORK (OF THE MONKEES) and a second line added to the front of the picture sleeve: "A Brand New 1986 Recording By Mickey Dolenz and Peter Tork (Of The Monkees)" |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 10 January 2008 at 12:27am
| Tim, I absolutely purchased my stock 45 within a day or two of its original summer 1986 release. I still own it, and have just pulled it. My latest Whitburn Pop Singles Book also states the same thing that you've just stated, but I personally had never been able to confirm that info. My pic sleeve does appear to be exactly the same as the "second issue sleeve" you describe, Tim, with the artist on my 45 indeed showing as by "Micky Dolenz And Peter Tork (Of The Monkees)". My deadwax info is "AS1-9505-SA B9". That "original Monkees" 45 artist listing/sleeve must be pretty darn rare, and was replaced very quickly indeed! But if someone as credible as either you, or Record Research's Paul Haney, actually do own a stock copy that states the artist as "The Monkees", it'll be good enough for me, and I will then accept it as fact. |
Posted By: TimNeely
Date Posted: 10 January 2008 at 11:16am
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I remember being really surprised to see it. It was in an obscure rack of 45s at a long-gone Woolworth's store in a suburban Philadelphia mall, and it's still the only copy I've ever seen. I rarely bought singles at that store because they were more expensive than most other places (strange, but true). But that one I had to get!
I have used both the sleeve and the record at different times as illustrations in past price guides. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 10 January 2008 at 12:27pm
| Was there a specific reason the change on the label from The Monkees to Mickey Dolenz and Peter Tork... was made? |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 10 January 2008 at 5:46pm
My 45 of TWTTIN is a promo copy on the standard Arista label (not the white label you describe), and it's also labeled the same as your stock copy. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 10 January 2008 at 7:49pm
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 10 January 2008 at 8:22pm
| I read that the song "That Was Then This Is Now" was originally done in 1985 by a group called the Mosquitos. Can't verify, though, I don't have a copy myself. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 11 January 2008 at 8:41pm
My blank white label promo 45 came in a standard stock picture sleeve with the "A brand new 1986 recording..." wording printed on it - no sticker. The deadwax info on this Allied pressing differs from yours: "AS1-9505-SA 10" and "AS1-9505-SA 11." The latter side's matrix number was first etched with an "8" as the last digit, which was stricken through and replaced with the "11" squeezed into the space between the "SA" and the crossed-out "8." I bought the UK picture disc 45 (Arista 4673) on November 21, 1986. The familiar Monkees guitar logo is pictured, as is...Davy Jones! 
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 11 January 2008 at 10:11pm
| Great stuff! Thanks for posting that terrific label scan, Yah Shure! |
Posted By: MCT1
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 9:02am
An interesting side note to this: while Arista owned the rights to the Monkees' back catalog, they had actually licensed the individual albums to Rhino, who was in the midst of a reissue program when "Monkee-mania '86" hit. Rhino's reissues of the group's self-titled debut and second LP More Of The Monkees both managed to crack the top 100 of the Billboard album chart when they were released that fall. Arista's The Monkees' Greatest Hits also charted, reaching #69 on the album chart before Then & Now.... superseded it. Rhino was also able to outflank Arista and get the group (minus Nesmith) under contract to record a new album. The end result, 1987's Pool It, was a commercial and critical disappointment, however. For its part, Arista took the individual albums back and reissued at least some of them themselves a couple of years later (circa 1988), after Rhino's license had apparently expired, but interest in the Monkees had cooled down considerably by then. |
Posted By: 80smusicfreak
Date Posted: 21 December 2014 at 5:19am
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Despite this thread from 7-8 years ago, it seems that no one has ever noticed that the original parent album for this #1(!) hit from 1987 is missing from the on-line database. (And when I say "original parent album", I'm of course referring to the one that was put out during the song's huge revival in 1986-87 as a re-issue on Rhino 74403, and NOT its initial run in 1981 on Alfa 7005, when it missed the top 40...)
In fact, I see that jimct's detailed post above from 04 October 2007 actually MENTIONS the CD in question:
As jimct indicated, it was a compilation titled By Request: The Best of Billy Vera & the Beaters, on Rhino 70858. The Rhino single debuted on Billboard's "Hot 100" chart in the November 8, 1986, issue, and By Request: The Best of... followed on the magazine's "Top Pop Albums" chart just four weeks later, in the December 6 issue (although as jimct's post indicates, it appears the album was actually released FIRST, in the summer or early fall of '86, and charted only after the single took off). The collection would go on to peak at #15, and be certified gold a few months later (bought it on cassette myself at that time). However, it's now long out-of-print, and is thus somewhat tough to find today - and because it was a fairly early CD, all copies that I've seen to date were Japan-for-U.S. pressings. There are currently a few used copies of Rhino RNCD 70858 listed on eBay, w/ this one being the cheapest: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Billy-Vera-Beaters-By-Request-Best-of-CD-early-Japan-press-/231052886715?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item35cbd342bb - BILLY VERA & THE BEATERS - "By Request: The Best of..." (U.S. CD) I happen to have this CD already, so if Pat wishes to add it immediately, I can report that "At This Moment" has an actual time of (4:18), and is of course the "LP version" (w/ the :05 spoken intro)... As a side note, By Request: The Best of... also features the group's moderate 1981 hit, "I Can Take Care of Myself", which did crack the top 40 in some areas, but didn't do quite well enough to qualify for entry in Pat's db (hit #39 in Billboard, but only #42 in Cash Box and #50 in Record World)...
db currently states:
Hmmm, I don't own Varese Sarabande 302066340 myself (so I don't know the correct answer), but I noticed we clearly have a conflict here... |