Aerosmith "Janie’s Got A Gun"
Printed From: Top 40 Music on CD
Category: Top 40 Music On Compact Disc
Forum Name: Chat Board
Forum Description: Chat away but please observe the chat board rules
URL: https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=126
Printed Date: 02 May 2025 at 11:08pm
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.07 - https://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Aerosmith "Janie’s Got A Gun"
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: Aerosmith "Janie’s Got A Gun"
Date Posted: 15 February 2005 at 10:04am
|
Does anyone know if there was a difference between the DJ 45 and the commercial 45 on "Janie's Got A Gun"? I have it on a TM Century Gold Disc, which contains DJ versions of most songs, and not only is it shorter, but it has different lyrics.
In the last verse, the LP version says "She's gonna take him down easy and put a bullet in his brain." But the version that top 40 radio stations played (and on my TM disc), those lyrics are "She's gonna take him down easy, he's standing in the pouring rain." Were those lyrics used on the commercial 45 as well? |
Replies:
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 February 2005 at 10:55am
|
Aaron:
I just listened to "Janie's Got a Gun" on Aerosmith's Big Ones CD (Geffen 24716). It runs 5:29 and contains the "put a bullet in his brain" lyric. Pat states that this is the 45 version, so it appears you have a radio-only edit. I forgot all about the "standing in the pouring rain" lyric that I used to hear all the time on Top 40 radio! Well, that means I gotta go find it. :-) How long does your copy run? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 February 2005 at 1:10pm
| Todd, run time is 4:23. My copy of the book says "LP Version" next to the Big Ones CD. He must have changed it since the 8th Edition. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 16 February 2005 at 12:34am
|
Aaron:
Yes, Pat now has "Janie's Got a Gun" listed as being the 45 version on Aerosmith's Big Ones (Geffen 24716), Young Lust: The Aerosmith Anthology (Geffen 069493119), and O Yeah! Ultimate Aerosmith Hits (Columbia 86700). By the way, I just came across some information regarding the promo CD single release for "Janie's Got a Gun". Here's the catalog number, track listing, and what is presumed to be the printed run times: Geffen PRO-CD-3794 1) Janie's Got A Gun (CHR Edit/Remix) - 4:18 2) Janie's Got A Gun (CHR Full Intro Remix) - 4:30 3) Janie's Got A Gun - 5:19 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 February 2005 at 10:38am
| I'm guessing that the version I have is the CHR Edit/Remix and that the printed time on the promo single is incorrect. The version on TM Century's Gold Disc runs exactly 4:23 and does not include the "intro" part that's on the LP version. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 02 October 2006 at 9:03am
|
guys......just so you know.....the cassingle has a slightly different intro than the full cd version.....i've tried matching the intro that is on the cd "pump" but i can't match it correctly.....the cd "pump" has about 0:10 of banter before the song starts.....the cassingle isn't just a straight clip of the banter, it seams to have additional banter that isn't on the full cd/lp version...... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 02 October 2006 at 9:55am
|
FYI, this is one song, that according to Billboard and Whitburn's books, there was no commercial 45 for. I remember reading something about it at the time that Geffen wanted to release it cassette-only "to see how it would do". Even though it was an eventual top 5 hit, no 45 was ever pressed to my knowledge.
Does anyone know if there was a promo 45? It was released right around the time labels stopped doing promos on vinyl. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 02 October 2006 at 10:52am
|
torcan....thx for that little bit of info.....i have the cassingle and there was a difference between the cd version and the single version and i was looking for a commercial 45 to buy as well and to compare it to the cassingle release......but, now, due to you, i don't need to..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 4:20pm
I just checked. I haven't paid any attention to the lengths, but all three of these CDs contain the "put a bullet in his brain" lyric. |
Todd Ireland wrote:Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 8:08pm
| The cassette single states LP version but it is not (the introduction is missing on the cassette single). The line "and put a bullet in his brain" is on the cassette single and the LP version however. As Ed pointed out above there is a very slight difference (fractions of a second) between the cassette single intro and the version found on "Big Ones". I have never seen a commercial vinyl single of this song nor a dj vinyl single. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 7:10pm
|
pat....my cassingle issued as geffen 22727 states on the cassingles face "lp version" (5:29)....but as we know it isn't really the lp version....this should be noted in the db... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 9:25pm
|
Odd, my copy says "lost him with the pouring rain" instead of the "...bullet in the brain" lyric.
Says the source is the Oh Yeah greatest hits (Japan) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 10:46pm
| Interesting find, eriejwg. What's the run time? |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 25 November 2007 at 12:35am
| 4:27, Aaron. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 25 November 2007 at 12:24pm
|
aaron...where did you find that half second of unique noise that starts the single version.....was it on the promo cd single of the song??? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 25 November 2007 at 1:17pm
| Ed, yes, the promo version "remix" has that extra half second on the intro. |
Posted By: TimNeely
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 11:43pm
There was not then, nor has there ever been, a U.S. 45 for "Janie's Got a Gun," either stock or promo. Another single released around the same time by a Warner Bros. label that was not issued on 7-inch at the time was "Personal Jesus" by Depeche Mode. (It later appeared on a Back To Back Hits 45.) |
Posted By: MCT1
Date Posted: 05 February 2008 at 8:33am
I suspect that the failure of "Janie's Got A Gun" to appear on a Back to Back Hits reissue is tied to the subsequent announcement that Geffen was being sold to MCA. Warner had no incentive to put out a BTBH single of a song it was about to lose distribution rights over -- IINM, none of the singles from Pump came out as BTBH issues, though all but "Janie's Got A Gun" exist as regular-issue 45s -- and MCA was not big on reissue 45s. I don't think they ever really had a reissue series for material that came out on the post-1973 MCA label. That has always struck me as odd, since all of the other major labels had active reissue series well into the '80s, some into the '90s. It seems like they kept a few select titles in print under thier original catalog number (I think I have a copy of one of Elton John's '70s titles on an '80s style blue rainbow label), and that was it. "Janie's Got A Gun" and "Personal Jesus" were both released right around the time Warner initially began cutting back on releasing vinyl 45s. The decision not to release "Janie's Got A Gun" as a 45 does seem kind of strange, as it could have been predicted at the time of its release to likely be a big hit. Most of the other Warner titles that went 45-less in that time period were lower profile releases. "Personal Jesus" seems a bit more understandable, as Depeche Mode didn't have a much of a singles-chart track record in the U.S. I believe that the next two singles after this by both bands were released as 45s. |
Posted By: TimNeely
Date Posted: 06 February 2008 at 11:42pm
I think you're right in regards to "Janie's Got a Gun." Had Geffen stayed with Warner Bros., it likely would have shown up on a BTBH 45. MCA, like its corporate predecessor Decca, was of two minds when it came to reissue singles. Decca had a series of 45s with numbers in the 25000s, some of which were back-to-back style reissues, but many of which were unique to that numbering system. The hit version of "Shangri-La" by Robert Maxwell, for example, has a number in the 25000s, and it wasn't released until 1964. Many of Earl Grant's instrumental 45s were in this series, too. But Decca also kept many singles in print all the way until 1972 with the same catalog number (the most common example is Bing Crosby's "White Christmas," which had the number 23776 all the way from 78 rpm days). MCA had a series of back-to-back reissues in the 1980s, mostly of country hits, that it called "Double Play" (the 45s featured the graphic of a baseball on the label). The singles were mixed in with the numbers of the standard pop series. But it also kept some of its earlier songs in print with the original catalog numbers, such as Elton John's "Step Into Christmas," which was originally issued in 1973 as part of a special 65000 series reserved for holiday singles but appears on the black rainbow, tan and blue rainbow labels. The closest thing MCA ever had to a dedicated reissue series on 45 was the Collectables 90000 series, which began in the early 1990s.
Warners was trying to decide whether to continue releasing 45s at all in this period. It eventually decided to continue, resuming its singles in early 1990 with 19999 and counting backwards as usual. But even after that, Warner Bros.'s decisions as to what to release on 45 and what not to release were inscrutable at best. At the same time Warners didn't issue either "Janie's Got a Gun" or "Personal Jesus," it DID issue "Oh Father" by Madonna and a reissue of "You Win Again" by the Bee Gees with a new catalog number. Indeed, every Aerosmith single that came out through 1997 was issued on an American 45 except "Janie's Got a Gun." Geffen never even went back and put it on a B-side, as some other labels did when they "missed" a hit on 7-inch. |
Posted By: MCT1
Date Posted: 15 February 2008 at 2:50pm
I dug this one out -- it's "Crocodile Rock", MCA 40000.
I don't think I've ever seen any of those (I guess because I've never been much into country).
About the same time that Warner Bros. started its singles numbering over again at 19999, sister labels Elektra and Atlantic did similar "resets", with Elektra starting over at 64999, and Atlantic at 87999 (for titles on Atlantic proper) and 98999 (for subsidiary and distributed labels). If their introduction had anything to do with decisions being made around vinyl 45s, I would actually think that they represent the point where Warner Music stopped issuing every title on 45. "Personal Jesus" had a 19000 series number, one of the first in the new series to make the charts.
Motley Crue's "Kickstart My Heart", which debuted on the Hot 100 the same week as "Janie's Got A Gun", came out as a vinyl 45. Both probably merited a 45, but if one wasn't going to get one, I'd think it should have been "Kickstart My Heart". Then again, if the information that torcan posted is accurate, "Janie's Got A Gun" may have been a deliberate anomaly. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 10:13pm
|
I recently discovered that despite all the detailed information we've collected regarding Aersomith's "Janie's Got a Gun", we don't have any commercial single run time info...
Until now. I inquired about this with Ed and he reports his cassette single has a run time of 5:31. (Thanks, Ed!) The database does correctly note that the cassette single incorrectly states "LP Version" on the label. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 11 May 2022 at 9:58pm
|
Having read through this thread regarding the pending transfer of ownership possibly impacting the decision to put out a 7" 45 RPM single in the United States, I find myself trying to make sense of what I find in Discogs.
(Now, there's one entry claiming a 7" single was issued in the US and Canada but there's no pictures so I'm not trusting that one.) According to Discogs, the following releases were made in 1989: GEFFEN 12": Germany, the UK, & the rest of Europe. GEFFEN 7": Australia, France, Spain, Germany, the UK (and a picture disc), & the rest of Europe. ...and most surprisingly of all, a WARNER BROS. 7" 45 RPM PROMO was allegedly released in Mexico (assuming it wasn't a bootleg). If the labels were printing all this vinyl in other countries for this single, why didn't they bring it to the United States? ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 3:43am
I have since obtained a copy of the aforementioned promo CD single for Aerosmith's "Janie's Got a Gun" and can add a few more notes for database consideration: Geffen PRO-CD-3794 1) CHR Edit/Remix - actual run time is 4:22, not 4:18 as stated on the CD label 2) CHR Full Intro Remix - actual: 4:31 (printed: 4:30) 3) LP Version - actual run time is 5:24, not 5:29* as stated on the CD label *Please note that even though I originally reported that the "LP Version" on this promo CD single had a printed time of 5:19, the printed time actually states 5:29 on the CD label. Evidently, there was a typo in my original source when I copied and pasted the info onto a previous message board post years ago. Even still, there is a significant discrepancy with the track's actual run time, which is 5:24. Also, it would probably be useful to mention in the song's database title notes that the “LP version” on this promo CD single is actually the 45/single version but runs faster and fades out several seconds sooner. |
Posted By: sheardbeard
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 6:59am
|
In looking through this thread, I can’t see that it was
ever identified how this song begins on the cassette single, outside of it has “additional banter that isn't on the full cd/lp version”. I know the intro to this track on the Pump album is the 10 second glass harp instrumental piece, separately titled ‘Water Song’ (also at the "Police Line Do Not Cross" beginning of the music video), before it goes directly into “*chit* Dum, dum, dum, honey, what have you done?”, whereas most versions listed as “single version” begin immediately with the “*chit* Dum, dum, dum…” Does the cassette single have neither of these intros? Side note: how can I expand my postings in this forum to "landscape" as opposed to being "boxed"? |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 8:19am
You can drag the lower right corner of the reply box to open it up further. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 9:26am
I just put the Pump CD version and the promo CD "LP Version" in the multi-tracker, and they are digitally identical but with a +0.7dB boost to the promo CD. The full-length CD also segues into the next track, although the volume of "Janie" is so low at this point, you'd only notice if you had the volume "pumped" (pun intended). So, yes, the promo CD does continue for about :03 longer, but even boosting the volume +25dB, you can barely hear anything (negligable, IMO). I also noticed that the promo CD single uses the actual Pump LP version but just edits off the intro. You can hear the glass harp sound effect overlapping the first note. I believe what has been reported in this thread is that the cassette single opens in the same way as the "Remix" with no overlapping sound effect and a split second of additional audio that is not heard on the full-length CD. If you listen to the "Remix," you can hear Steven Tyler make a slight noise just before the "chhh" sound. I know it's splitting hairs, but techincally, the promo CD doesn't have the cassette single version, and yes, technically that means the cassette single is a unique version still MIA on CD. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 9:31am
|
Does anyone have a dub of the cassette single they can send? Ed? Chuck?
Looking at the database, several entries say "45 version," but I now question whether that is accurate based on what Ed reported. I think those CDs have the Pump LP version with the intro edited off. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 9:36am
|
I can say for sure these CDs all have the overlapping sound effect on the first note (and probably don't match the cassette single exactly):
Big Ones O Yeah! Ultimate Hits Devil's Got A New Disguise ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: sheardbeard
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 10:43am
|
While thumbing through the multiple different sources of "Janie's Got A Gun" (via Apple Music) I think I finally heard the millisecond throaty swallow sound at the beginning on "The Very Best of Aerosmith" (2006)... "Mm-chhh" as
opposed to just "chhh". My assumption is the "mm-chhh" is at the beginning of the cassette single. Wow, we certainly get down to the granular details here, don't we? haha |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 10:51am
|
Yes, we certainly do! And yes, in a post on the first page, I'm assuming that's what Ed is referring to as the "unique" audio on the official single version, along with the absense of the overlapping glass harp sound effect. What you're hearing the digital Very Best Of Aerosmith album is the "CHR Full Intro Remix" from the promo CD. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 10:55am
|
As a follow up, it appears European CD copies of Devil's Got A New Disguise: The Very Best Of Aerosmith include the "CHR Remix" (aka "CHR Full Intro Remix"), while US CDs have the LP version without "Water Song" on the intro. It's the European version that has been made avaialble on digital streaming services here in the US. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: sheardbeard
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 2:40pm
|
Getting crazy specific here, but I noticed even the “chhh” is a different
“chhh” in the “mm-chhh” vs “chhh” intros. 🤪 |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 3:28pm
I was under the impression that the 45/single version was essentially the equivalent of the LP version minus the intro. And because the "LP Version" on the promo CD single release doesn't contain the Pump LP intro, I decided to compare it to the 45/single version to see if they are identical. But since I don't have a copy of the cassette single, which was the only commercial single format issued for "Janie's Got a Gun" in the U.S., I used the Aerosmith Big Ones CD (Geffen 24716) as the basis for my "45 version" comparison with the so-called "LP Version" on the promo CD single. In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have used the Big Ones CD as a "45 version" reference point in the first place because there's no guarantee that it's mastered identically in every way to what's actually on the on cassette single, including the length and speed. That said, there is a slight, yet noticeable speed difference between those two sources, so now I'm wondering if there's also a similar speed difference between the actual single version and LP version? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 3:45pm
LOL! No worries, sheardbeard, you're in good company here when it comes to being hyper-focused on minutia! By the way, I never knew it was possible to type emoticons on this message board... Can you generate them here or just simply copy and paste them from elsewhere? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 3:50pm
I'm basing my assumption on this comment, but I still need to hear the cassette single to know if the "additional banter" Ed is talking about is what can be heard on the "Remix." ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: sheardbeard
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 4:12pm
typed my earlier message (and this one) from my phone and apparently the emoticon “took” 😁👍🏻🎶 🎼🎵🎧🎸🥁 |
Posted By: sheardbeard
Date Posted: 20 March 2025 at 4:12pm
| - |