The Band-"Don’t Do It"
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Topic: The Band-"Don’t Do It"
Posted By: jimct
Subject: The Band-"Don’t Do It"
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 12:38am
| My 45 has a listed time of (3:30), but actually runs (3:39). |
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 08 July 2012 at 3:38pm
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has anyone been able to reproduce the vinyl 45 version from
the cd components? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 7:13pm
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bump ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 23 December 2012 at 1:13pm
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It was covered on the Rock of Ages string. You can make the single edits but you don't have access to the applause sound effect they added to the intro.
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 06 September 2013 at 6:53am
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is the applause on the LP version? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 06 September 2013 at 6:12pm
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There is applause Ed, but not until the three minute mark
of the LP version and of course the tail end when the song ends. I think the issue is the LP version has no applause at the start but the 45 does (must've been added later when the edits took place). ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 27 July 2016 at 7:12pm
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my commercial 45 for the band song 'don't do it' issue as
capitol 3433 is just like jim's with a listed run time of 3:30 but an actual time of 3:39; thanks mark for making the superb edit of the song!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 31 July 2016 at 8:57pm
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Thanks for the compliment on the edit Ed, if I do say so
I agree it came out great. Except for one little difference I discovered about the re-issue 45 I used as my source. I used a pristine Capitol re-issue. It had the correct 45 edit. It also had the audience over the intro all the way til the vocals start. All great so far. I used the LP version from CD for the rest of the song after the opening audience was finished. I then noticed my edit came out to be 3:35 not 3:39. So Ed sent me a dub of his ORIGINAL 45. I expected to find that the re-issue was missing some audience at the fade .. but no, while the pitch on the re-issue is the same as the album .. (that's the speed I'm familiar with) the commercial 45 was slowed down ... really slow, sounds like tape drag but all the way thru. So that makes the original single 4 seconds longer. Other issue: the stock 45 is mono where my re-issue is stereo. Hmm. Odd. But no problem, i found when you fold it to mono and slow it down and EQ it like the 45 the music mix matches just fine. BUT now I hear another issue when I synchronized it with Ed's 45, I found that the audience overdub on the intro of the re-issue is not the SAME audience overdub found in the mono stock 45. (are you kidding me??) Sigh. So my question now is .. was there a stereo / mono promo 45? I suspect this stereo edit is what's on it if it exists. MM |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 01 August 2016 at 1:18am
My stock copy, on Capitol 3433, is marked stereo but sounds like it could be mono -- it's too beat up for me to be sure. Is your mono stock copy also marked stereo, or did Capitol issue two versions? |
MMathews wrote:Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 01 August 2016 at 6:26pm
Mark, although I don't have a DJ copy of Capitol 3433, there's one pictured on discogs, and it has the same, both-sides-state-stereo "Don't Do It"/"Rag Mama Rag" pairing as my Los Angeles-pressed stock copy (which was where all Capitol promo 45s were pressed during those years.) The deadwax markings listed for the discogs promo 45's A side are "S-45-X 78631 A-Z-3 [stamped] STERLING RL," which match my stock copy, except that the discogs listing omits the asterisk symbol between the hand-etched numbers and the machine-stamped "STERLING" and hand-etched "RL". I'll chalk that up to an oversight on the discogs entry, since the "*" signifies Capitol's Los Angeles plant. Both sides of my stock copy state "stereo," but, as the others have already stated upthread, the A-side plays mono. The "Rag Mama Rag" B-side does, however, play stereo. Generally, I've found that a Capitol matrix number beginning with a "45-X" prefix signifies a mono master, and "S-45" (with no "X" following it) is a stereo master. Although the printed matrix numbers on the labels of this particular 45 both have an "S45" prefix ahead of the master numbers, the deadwax matrix numbers on both the A and B sides have "S-45-X" prefixes ahead of those same numbers. That runs counter to the usual Capitol deadwax protocol, and in this case, one turned out to be mono and the other stereo. I'm speculating here, but given that the crowd SFX during the intro appears to have been flown in from elsewhere, and that the "B" side deadwax shows no STERLING / Robert Ludwig mastering involvement, it's possible that the A-side's "stereo" labels had already been printed prior to a last-minute mono crowd-sweetening decision. I can just picture the scene at the Capitol A&R meeting: "You call that the way to kick off a "live" hit? They sound like The Bland, for cryin' out loud! Show me some excitement! Light a fire under that crowd!" ;) My guess is that when they went to re-cut the 45 in stereo for the Star Line reissue, they realized that they'd have to re-do the crowd effects from scratch. I'd imagine they weren't about to pay overtime for someone to find that exact crowd sequence in stereo. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 02 August 2016 at 10:37pm
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Thanks for the extra info John! Jim sent me a dub from
his promo 45 and the A-side mono just like yours and the stock 45. So the version on the re-issue 45 was obviously not released before that, but I have a hard time picturing an engineer taking the many hours to make a stereo re- creation for a re-issue single. I suspect more that this tape was just there and somebody grabbed it. The usual deal for those re-issues was grab whatever and slap it on. Especially Capitol. One thing I can say is the audience overdub on the stereo edit matches the audience in the rest of the recording and the LP so at least it came from the same place/time. It just wasn't the same segment that was used in the mono mix. But I am now curious to hear more of the crowd effects that precede the LP version ...as Doug pointed out some of the opening crowd has been removed from the digital versions of this album. One other minor difference I can report. The stock 45 runs (3:39), but the promo 45 actually runs (3:41) because of 3 extra seconds of applause at the fade out. MM |