John Waite - Missing You

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   (I apologize if this has already been covered on the database.)

My older version of Pat's book (1955-1996) lists 14 discs as having the "LP length" of John Waite's "Missing You" at around 4:26, and just one as having a "45 length" around 4:00.

Actually, the 45 is a different mix from the album, and says "Mixed and edited by John Luongo" on the 45 label and picture sleeve.  The easiest way to tell the difference is that the LP version has backup singers singing "missing you" during the intro, and the 45 version doesn't.  The 45 is also slower (about 103 BPM) than the LP (about 104 BPM).

All the 4:00-ish tracks should be "45 version", and all the 4:26-ish tracks should be "LP version".

I seem to also remember another mix, with an obnoxious "knock knock" percussion sound all the way through.  Anyone know where that version came from?

Also, for the record, the LP version on Time-Life's "Body Talk - On My Mind" CD has a bad edit and is missing part of the first drum beat of the song.

Edited by crapfromthepast

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crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 53	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: John Waite - Missing You Posted: 21 December 2006 at 8:02pm
	(I apologize if this has already been covered on the database.) My older version of Pat's book (1955-1996) lists 14 discs as having the "LP length" of John Waite's "Missing You" at around 4:26, and just one as having a "45 length" around 4:00. Actually, the 45 is a different mix from the album, and says "Mixed and edited by John Luongo" on the 45 label and picture sleeve. The easiest way to tell the difference is that the LP version has backup singers singing "missing you" during the intro, and the 45 version doesn't. The 45 is also slower (about 103 BPM) than the LP (about 104 BPM). All the 4:00-ish tracks should be "45 version", and all the 4:26-ish tracks should be "LP version". I seem to also remember another mix, with an obnoxious "knock knock" percussion sound all the way through. Anyone know where that version came from? Also, for the record, the LP version on Time-Life's "Body Talk - On My Mind" CD has a bad edit and is missing part of the first drum beat of the song. Edited by crapfromthepast

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 163	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 December 2006 at 8:18pm
	I believe this was brought up a while ago, but you've provided some good additional info. Thanks! Not sure about the alternate version you reference. I've only heard the LP and 45 versions on this one. Great song, BTW...

budaniel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 12 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote budaniel Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 December 2006 at 8:36pm
	the "knock knock' version of which you speak is the 12" remix, which runs 6:59 on my promo 12" and is listed as also being mixed by John Luongo (oddly, it doesn't say RE-mixed).

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 December 2006 at 7:19am
	I just listened to the Time-Life "Body Talk - On My Mind" cd and the first drum beat seems to be complete so perhaps there are two pressings of this cd. There are a lot of matrix type numbers stamped onto the cd but here are all of them that appear on my copy: 1639 IFPI L043 1-1-2 stamped backward 724381917428D2

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 53	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 December 2006 at 2:40pm
	Pat - It's fairly subtle, and I only noticed because I was comparing different versions from different CDs in a multi-track audio editing program. It's easier to see than to hear.

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 53	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 August 2012 at 10:50am
	...five and a half years later... I compared the 24 (!) different CDs I have that feature "Missing You". Didn't learn much, really. The LP mix/length are around 4:26. My preferred source for the LP mix/length is Sandstone's Rock The First Vol. 5 (1992). There are two discs from Cema that use the same analog transfer: Mellow Gold (1991; my guess is that Rock The First and this disc both used the same analog transfer as some other CD unknown to me) and Cool Rock (1995; digitally identical to Rock The First). I didn't like the sound of the LP version on the discs from Priority (too loud and missing a little bit of the opening drumbeat) or TIme-Life (added compression). The version on Realm's Gold And Platinum Vol. 2 (1986) is the LP version faded about 30 seconds early. Avoid. The version on Chrysalis's Essential John Waite 1976-1986 is labelled 4:45, but actually runs a second or two shorter than most of the other LP versions on CD. Avoid. The 45 mix/length is about 4:00. My preferred source for the 45 mix/length is Rhino's 7-CD Like Omigod (2002), which is a little loud but uses excellent source tapes and has a nice, open-sounding EQ. Most of the other 45 versions on CD seeme to use higher-generation source tapes, including Totally '80s (1993). Too bad this track never turned up on one of Rhino's Billboard discs - seems like this would have been a prime choice for that series. And finally, it appears that the UK 45 is the same mix as the US 45, but faded WAY early, running about 3:30. (Can anyone verify?) I say this only because I have it on five different European compilations, all with the same early fade. The best-sounding of the bunch that I have is EMI/Virgin/PolyGram's 2-CD Now 1984 (1993), which has its fade in the same place as the others (i.e., it's not a hastened fade on this particular disc.)
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