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    Posted: 26 June 2008 at 5:47pm
My commercial 45, which is mono and confirmed as Atlantic 2464, has a listed time of (2:45), but an actual time of (2:41).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 June 2008 at 6:27pm
Looks as though you're into 1968 now. Sweet!

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if you fade the queen of soul box set version for 0:11 from
2:30 to 2:41 you can effectively re-create the vinyl 45
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It seems the 1968 Lady Soul stereo LP version of "Chain of Fools" has about twice as much reverb as the 1967/1968 mono single.

There is a mono LP, but I don't know what it sounds like.

From the following CDs, I have rips which are true to the single:
The Atlantic Singles Collection 1967–1970
Legends of Soul vol. 4
Atlantic Ultimate '60s Soul Sensations
Billboard Top Rock 'n' Roll Hits
Rock the Dome
Soul Hits vol. 3

Meanwhile, the mono version on the 1986 edition of the Atlantic Rhythm and Blues 1947–1974 box set (listed in the database as individual disc Atlantic Rhythm & Blues Volume 6) has the extra reverb. It seems to be a fold-down of the stereo mix, same as on the Japan-made 20 Party Classics. The box set's use of this mix should be noted in the database.

Was the fold-down what was released on the mono LP?
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Atlantic R&B Vol. 6 is currently listed as "LP version," while 20 Party Classics says "stereo LP version bridged to mono." I agree this is confusing, since they are the same.

I don't know if the original 1968 mono LP has a fold-down or a dedicated mix. If it's the latter, I think the "stereo LP version bridged to mono" is more accurate for the database. If it's a fold-down on the original LP, I think just "LP version" works given that the CD is listed as (M).

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Confirming that the original release of Atlantic Rhythm And Blues 1947-1974 Vol. 6 (1985) is indeed a fold-down of the stereo version, and is not the mono 45 version. There are three differences:
  • Much more reverb on the stereo version
  • Fade starts and ends earlier on the stereo
  • Different guitar intros on the mono and stereo versions! It's literally different notes being played. You can actually hear an edit on the stereo version, as it cuts to just-about-silence before Aretha sings her first note! My guess is that the mono (45) version came out first, and the stereo version was recut to be a little shorter, so that Aretha got to the singing a little quicker (just a guess).
Warner Special Products' 20 Party Classics (1986) uses the same analog transfer as the 1985 Atlantic set.

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