OT: The Hooters - All You Zombies (1985)

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   Does anyone have details or edit points available for the on the "Short" promo edit found on the  1985 promo 45?  I have read that the actual time is about 4:00, which doesn't match up with the version used in the video.  I found one 4:00 version buried on YouTube, and it sounds like a fake to me. Thanks for any assistance!

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EternalStatic Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 September 2019 Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote EternalStatic Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: OT: The Hooters - All You Zombies (1985) Posted: 03 May 2020 at 2:34pm
	Does anyone have details or edit points available for the on the "Short" promo edit found on the 1985 promo 45? I have read that the actual time is about 4:00, which doesn't match up with the version used in the video. I found one 4:00 version buried on YouTube, and it sounds like a fake to me. Thanks for any assistance!

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 90	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 May 2020 at 4:11pm
	Hi Eric, I have a dub of the short promo version. I did a quick recreation and it runs 4:00. I sent the file to you for analysis, though I named the file by the Zombies by mistake lol, not the Hooters.
	John Gallagher Erie, PA John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth

EternalStatic Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 September 2019 Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote EternalStatic Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 May 2020 at 5:53pm
	Hi John! Thanks a ton for sending. I have listened to the 4-minute "Short" version and studied it, and I am so glad to be able to put this one to bed in my mind. I'm sure everyone has heard the really well done 4:24-ish edit from the music video. Well, the promo 45 edit is that edit, but with one additional, kind of abrupt cut at about 18 seconds in that edits out even more of the vamping and build-up on the intro. It's one of those edits that no matter how carefully it's made, it just really takes you out of the moment on playback, largely because of the change in instrumentation at the edit point. Pretty wild. After listening, I can see why the long version is the one the band appears to prefer. It's a shame that the label didn't use the Video Edit on the promo 45, though, because it's a more natural edit on its own, and given how often labels lied about the runtime on their promos, they could have printed 4:00 on the label and no one would have batted an eye. Edited by EternalStatic

Paul Haney Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paul Haney Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 2020 at 3:46am
	Just a quick aside... I loved "All You Zombies" from the moment I first heard it. I was really hoping it would at least crack the Top 40, but it wasn't meant to be. I saw the Hooters 3-4 times live as an opening act and "All You Zombies" always brought the house down.

EternalStatic Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 September 2019 Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote EternalStatic Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 2020 at 6:49am
	Hi Paul! It's a really unique-sounding song, isn't it? It is very identifiably "eighties" without being riddled with the typical clichés of that era. I hate that it missed the Top 40, but its #3 Mainstream Rock peak is nothing to sneeze at. Interestingly enough, I definitely hear this one more often than their 2nd Top 40 hit, "Day By Day", though not nearly as often as "And We Danced". It blows my mind that "Day By Day" had the highest Hot 100 peak of all 3 of those. Though it only bested "And We Danced" by 3 notches, it's the only one that can claim the title of "Top 20 hit".

Paul Haney Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paul Haney Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 2020 at 7:23am
	Yep, the only Hooters hit I still hear on the radio is "And We Danced." It peaked at #21 in Radio & Records ("Day By Day" peaked at #22). I also enjoyed their 1987 hits "Johnny B" and "Satellite" (both of which peaked at #61 on the Hot 100). I played the heck out of them at my college radio station, so there's that!

EternalStatic Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 September 2019 Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote EternalStatic Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 May 2020 at 3:50am
	Oh great — just when I had a clear understanding of which one was their “bigger” pop hit, here comes Radio & Records to unravel my beliefs, haha... They’re pretty close, aren’t they? “Satellite” is definitely underrated any way you look at it.

MMathews Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MMathews Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 May 2020 at 9:49pm
	This thread made me go listen to "All You Zombies" because while I saw the title many times in stores back then, I couldn't recall hearing it in the 80s. I have to agree this is an amazing song! It's going in my 80s playlist right away. Side note: I'm sure this is old news for most of you but for years I wondered who the male vocal was on Cyndi Lauper's classic "Time After Time." The album credits wouldn't say. When the internet arrived I finally googled it one day and I read the song was co- written by Rob Hyman of the Hooters and it clicked! AH! It's HIM...that's his voice! At last question answered. Of course all this is in Wikipedia now but back then it was a total mystery to me. BTW, for all the Hooters success here and in Europe, I can guarantee that "Time After Time" is the song that has made Rob Hyman very well-off. The annual publishing royalties would be staggering, since the song is still on the radio every day in every market world-wide to this very day. MM

Paul Haney Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paul Haney Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 May 2020 at 2:26am
	Good stuff, Mark! Yes, us old school Hooters fans always knew about the connection to Cyndi Lauper. In fact, the Hooters used to perform "Time After Time" in their live shows.

TimNeely Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 09 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote TimNeely Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2020 at 6:20am
	As a point of reference, the Columbia version of "All You Zombies" was the third time the Hooters recorded it. The first was a live version thst appeared on their second indie-label 45 (Eighty Percent HOO 82). The second was as an album cut on the eight-song LP Amore (Antenna HOO 83). The Hooters would re-record four of the eight songs from their indie album when they signed to Columbia. For "All You Zombies," the third time was the charm as far as I'm concerned. As for the other three, I prefer the indie versions of "Hanging on a Heartbeat," "Blood from a Stone," and especially "Fightin' on the Same Side" (the Columbia version of the latter is basically a different song with the same title and chorus).