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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2008 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by TomDiehl1 TomDiehl1 wrote:

Skyline's version would be correct...they always compare their files to the original 45s where available...


Not so fast, Tom. I know for a fact that the version of Madonna's "Holiday" that Skyline posted on their website a year or two ago was a new and incorrect (not to mention bad) edit from the album version. I was told Skyline claimed it was from a 45 dub, but believe me it WAS NOT. Someone played it for me. It was an incorrect custom edit of the album version passed off as a 45 dub, with one edit in the wrong place and another edit badly done.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2008 at 9:56pm
That's odd, I had emailed a dub of a scratchy 45 of "Holiday" a couple years back before I got a better TT.

I figured Skyline duplicated the dub I sent.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Hits Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 September 2008 at 2:37pm
I submitted a couple of correct edits of things that are wrong on the website months ago. Tom is very busy, and keeps having bad luck, so he probably hasn't gotten around to auditioning everything yet.


People send him things and he posts some of them pretty much as is without verification. Who knows?
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Dipping my toes in the 1977 waters here...

The LP version first appeared on Silver Eagle Records' mail-order 2-CD Dancin' The Night Away (1988). (I love this set mostly for sentimental reasons - it was the first disco compilation CD. Virtually all of the songs appear in better-sounding forms elsewhere.) The version here uses a high-generation tape source, and sounds pretty muffled. The same analog transfer is used for Priority's Mega-Hits Dance Classics Vol. 1 (1989), and also sounds pretty muffled.

The LP version sounds infinitely better on Polydor's Andy Gibb (1991). This disc uses terrific-sounding source tapes (despite occasional dropouts), has great dynamic range, no noise reduction, and a very nice EQ. There are digital clones of Andy Gibb on:
  • Time-Life's 2-CD Body Talk Vol. 7 Hearts In Motion (1996; differently-EQ'd digital clone)
  • Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 45 '70s Dance Party 1976-1977 (1997; differently-EQ'd digital clone)
  • Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 28 Teen Idols Of The '70s (1999)
  • Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 30 #1 Hits Of The '70s '75-'79 (2000; differently-EQ'd digital clone)
  • Time-Life 2-CD Seventies Music Explosion Vol. 2 Escape (2005; differently-EQ'd digital clone)
It is easy to recreate the 45 from the LP version. The 45 has one edit in the intro and an early fade. Using Andy Gibb as the source (although any of the Time-Life discs will work just as well), here are editing instructions to recreate the 45:

Segment 1
4 beats long, not counting the three tom tom hits, ending on a downbeat
Extends from 0:00.0-0:03.4 of the LP version and 45 edit

Remove the 4 beats from 0:03.4 to 0:05.9 of the LP version. Oddly enough, there's a dropout on Andy Gibb at the 5.5 second mark, which is entirely edited out when you recreate the 45.

Segment 2
Begins and ends on downbeats
Extends from 0:03.4 to 3:32.0 of the 45 edit
Extends from 0:05.9 to 3:34.5 of the LP version

Fade
16 beats long
Extends from 3:22.2 to 3:32.0 of the 45 edit
Extends from 3:24.7 to 3:34.5 of the LP version

Your mixdown will run 3:32.0 with an edit at 0:03.4.

The 45 edit is properly recreated on Eric's Hard To Find 45s On CD Vol. 12 (2010). I don't hear any evidence of noise reduction on this track.

I noticed that the TM Century GoldDisc version is just an early fade of the LP version, and omits the 4-beat edit of the intro. Avoid.

The LP version on EMI's 5-CD Seventies Complete Vol. (1997) sounds spectacularly awful. I think it's taken from vinyl here. Avoid.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote crapfromthepast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 hours 51 minutes ago at 9:47pm
I discovered that there are three different mixes of the LP length on CD!

The first mix on CD is found on Silver Eagle/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Dancin' The Night Away (1988). This mix has no hi hat in the intro just before the vocals start. That doesn't match the LP, the 45, or any other mix from vinyl that I've found on YouTube, all of which have a nice quarter-note hi hat to keep time before the vocals start. I suspect that someone pulled an unused mix from the vault, but I can't confirm. The same analog transfer is used on Priority's Mega-Hits Dance Classics Vol. 1 (1989).

The second mix is found on Polydor's understatedly-titled greatest hits CD Andy Gibb (1991). There's a dropout in the right channel about 5 seconds in. RSO's vinyl Andy Gibb's Greatest Hits (1980) also has the dropout 5 seconds in, so it's clear that Andy Gibb uses the same source as the vinyl GH album. Most of the common Time-Life collections use the same analog transfer as Andy Gibb.

The third mix is found on Polydor's Pure Disco 2 (1997). The disc gives a mastering credit to Suha Gur. I suspect that it's a 1997 remix by Suha Gur as well, but can't confirm. It sounds superb. If you need to show a real difference from the Andy Gibb mix, listen around 0:36. There are some background rhythm guitar bits around 0:36 that are in the opposite channels in the two mixes. The same analog transfer is used on Polydor's Best Of 20th Century Masters The Millennium Collection (2001) and the Qobuz download of the full Andy Gibb Flowing Rivers album.

I confirmed with a few dubs from YouTube (both the US commercial 45 and the US promo 45): the 45 is an edit and early fade of the mix from Andy Gibb.

Interestingly, the 45 edit on the intro edits out the portion of the LP version that has the dropout at 5 seconds in.

Could it be that the dropout at 5 seconds in is baked into the true LP mix? (I don't have the vinyl Flowing Rivers album to confirm one way or the other.) If so, it could explain why RSO chose to edit the intro of the 45, and why Suha Gur (possibly) remixed the song in 1997.

Listening to dozens of versions of the song makes me appreciate how well the song is produced and recorded. The Bee Gees' production team of Albhy Galuten and Karl Richardson were absolute masters of the studio. I'm a fan.

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I prefer the sound of the Polydor "Flowing Rivers" CD for this track which I assume is the LP mix.
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The Flowing Rivers album first appeared on CD in 1998 on Polydor.

Because the album first appeared on CD after the 1997 release of Pure Disco 2, and because the Qobuz version of Flowing Rivers included the same version as Pure Disco 2, I'd bet a nickel that your CD also uses the Pure Disco 2 mix.

(I'll be happy to compare your Flowing Rivers CD version to the others that are out there. It takes me about two minutes total to do one of these comparisons.)
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