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    Posted: 24 September 2006 at 10:14pm
Just recently Varese Sarabande released the original John Phillips album with the hit song "Mississippi." In addition to the original LP, the disc also includes the 45 version of the hit.

BEWARE!!!

While the LP tracks sound good, the single version of "Mississippi" is not a clean copy from the master tape. It is a less-than-desirable vinyl cleanup. There's plenty of groove distortion (especially toward the end of the song), and it just doesn't sound good.
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Aaron:

Unfortunately, the master tapes containing the 45 version mixes of several Mamas & Papas Top 40 hits were discarded many years ago and therefore all CDs that have these 45 mixes come from vinyl dubs. I'm not certain if the master tape containing the 45 version of John Phillips' "Mississippi" was lost forever in the shuffle as well. I'm sure Tom Diehl or one of the other resident board experts on oldies master tapes can furnish more details on this.
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Hi All,
All 45 masters for anything on the Dunhill label are long lost. Legend has it this happened when MCA took control of the label and I've heard various stories about it.
Bottom line is all they have in the vaults are stereo LP masters. Any 45 versions that appeared on CD have been dubs of original Dunhill 45's.
Also too bad that most of those 45 pressings were very noisy and grungy.
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Does anyone know if Mama Cass's top 100 hit "Move In a Little Closer, Baby" appears on any CD from master tape? This is one of the few cases where I prefer the mono single mix (it's so much punchier) than the LP mix (which is not only less punchy but also very tinny). If I recall, every CD I've heard of this song has been mastered from vinyl.

Also, was this song never on any Mama Cass LPs except Best Of types?
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Originally posted by MMathews MMathews wrote:

Hi All,
All 45 masters for anything on the Dunhill label are long lost. Legend has it this happened when MCA took control of the label and I've heard various stories about it.
Bottom line is all they have in the vaults are stereo LP masters. Any 45 versions that appeared on CD have been dubs of original Dunhill 45's.
Also too bad that most of those 45 pressings were very noisy and grungy.
-MM




From what I've been told by someone who asked Andy McKaie about this directly, many, but not all, 45 masters were tossed out. Also, if the songs appeared on a mono lp, Universal should still have the mono lp tapes as those shouldn't have been tossed out. The only tapes that did get tossed were the mono 45 masters IF (and only if) there was a version (whether it matched the single or not) that appeared on an lp of any kind, then the LP masters were kept. If the mono 45 was special to 45 and never on an lp in mono or stereo, Universal kept the mono 45 tape.
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That would explain all the Grass Roots Dunhill 45 mixes also missing.

So I take it the version of Mississippi on the Creeque Alley box set is the LP
version?
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Originally posted by TomDiehl1 TomDiehl1 wrote:

Originally posted by MMathews MMathews wrote:

Hi All,
All 45 masters for anything on the Dunhill label are long lost. Legend has it this happened when MCA took control of the label and I've heard various stories about it.
Bottom line is all they have in the vaults are stereo LP masters. Any 45 versions that appeared on CD have been dubs of original Dunhill 45's.
Also too bad that most of those 45 pressings were very noisy and grungy.
-MM




From what I've been told by someone who asked Andy McKaie about this directly, many, but not all, 45 masters were tossed out. Also, if the songs appeared on a mono lp, Universal should still have the mono lp tapes as those shouldn't have been tossed out. The only tapes that did get tossed were the mono 45 masters IF (and only if) there was a version (whether it matched the single or not) that appeared on an lp of any kind, then the LP masters were kept. If the mono 45 was special to 45 and never on an lp in mono or stereo, Universal kept the mono 45 tape.


Very interesting... So if I'm understanding correctly, does this mean that the Dunhill 45 mixes actually all do still exist on tape somewhere???
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TomDiehl1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2006 at 11:28am
If the mono LP masters weren't thrown out, then yes. If they were, then probably not...although the UK should've been sent copies of the same mono tapes.....
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My commercial 45 for this, which is mono, has a listed time of (2:59), but an actual time of (3:09).

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the abc/dunhill 45 also has a "warlok" insignia on the label... was this supposed to be a subsidiary or vanity label-type thing for john phillips because i cannot find it listed as such in any of my reference books... also, despite the vinyl distortion, it's nice to hear this song without the horrible "drum edit" on the lp version... what were they smoking in the editing room on that day???
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