El Chicano - "Viva Tirado"

This was originally put out by the small "Gordo" label, and then picked up nationally by Kapp. I have both promos; what's in the grooves is identical on both sides of both promos. The Gordo PART ONE has a listed time of (4:35), but actually runs (4:30). The Kapp PART ONE corrects this; listed and actual time of (4:30). The Gordo PART TWO has listed time of (3:00), but actually runs (3:04). The Kapp PART TWO, for some reason, duplicates the exact same time error, but adds the words "Short Version" to PART TWO. A wise move; my main point here is that PART TWO is the ONLY version I EVER heard on the radio back in 1970. I believe most radio people, listening to both sides, would choose PART TWO. The intro is better; the middle is better; the ending is better (ends cold); AND it's shorter. I believe the PART ONE/PART TWO characterization is misleading here, and is just a bad idea started by the Gordo promo simply duplicated on the Kapp promo. The (3:04) version is simply a KILLER remixed, probably different take, short version. Anxious to know if anybody on the Board ever heard the (4:30) version on their AM radios in 1970?

According to my research, commercial 45 copies of El Chicano's "Viva Tirado" contain Part 2 on the B-side, just like on Jim's promo 45 copies. In a situation like this where it appears Part 2 received the lion's share of airplay in at least some markets, should info relevant to Part 2 be included in the database even though Part 1 is technically the official A-side? Pat, your thoughts?

I'm guessing the "Part 2" version isn't on a CD somewhere, correct?

Pat, isn't the oldest axiom in business is that "the customer is always right?"

Hmmm, do I detect a hint of sarcasm there, Mr. Downey? Our inquiries have NOTHING to do with "appealing to today's students" or wanting to "change the history of rock and roll!" Jeez! I'm not sending you on a wild goose chase here, Pat. I WAS around back in 1970. And I happen to have SEVERAL different 1970 airchecks, which ALL feature the short version on the tapes. Our HIGHLY respected expert Top 40 DJ on this Board, Gary Mack, has stated above that he also played the short version on KRUX/Phoenix back in 1970. And since the commercial 45s also included the short version on the other side, how did Billboard or Cashbox determine that people were choosing to buy "Viva Tirado" for the (4:30) "Part I" side? Pat, do you, or anybody else, have ANY evidence that Part I EVER got played ANYWHERE on the radio back in 1970? On your Message Board, Pat, we've found there to be numerous 60s/70s 45s that have had significant listed timing errors. Many of those have now been brought to light, for the official record. Has this been done to try to "change the history of rock and roll", or to simply "correct the original historical record" for a mistake originally made MANY years ago? Even within reference documents, you can't ALWAYS believe everything that you read, Pat. All I'm saying is that if someone has good 1970 information, justifying why "Part I" could've truly and legitimately been the "hit side", as the magazines stated back then, I'm all ears. And I would truly appreciate the help, no matter what the info indicated. That's ALL I want here. It's just that I can't seem to find a SHRED of supporting info for what the magazines chose to list back then, Pat. Earlier in 2007, I also brought up "You're The One" by Little Sister (also from 1970). As you recall, I was later proven right on that one, with "Part 2" being the actual hit side. I believe there ARE times when it is reasonable to ask a simple, honest question or two, Pat. If this angers you, I really don't know what to tell you. I make no apologies, however.