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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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According to the database, CD entries for The Independent's "Leaving Me" range widely from 3:07 to 3:21, yet there are currently no associated comments to help explain the run time discrepencies. Does anyone have the vinyl 45 or the parent LP who can pass along the song's run time info? Once again, I'm wondering if there's a length, edit, or speed difference between the 45 and LP.
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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My commercial 45, which is stereo, has both a listed and actual time of (3:20).
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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An FYI... "Leaving Me" is a real mess on the Soul Hits of the '70s, Vol. 10 various artists CD (Rhino 70790). According to my notes, it's mastered from vinyl, is missing the opening drum hits, runs much faster than the 45 speed, and fades out early.
By the way, I notice there's one database CD where this song is in mono and runs 3:15. Since commercial 45 copies were issued in stereo, is the CD in question reflective of a mono DJ length perhaps? |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Not unless there were two different promo 45s issued for this song back in
early 1973, Todd. My promo 45 includes "Leaving Me", in stereo, on one side of it, with the same song that's also included on the stock 45's flip ("I Love You, Yes I Do") on the other side of my promo. |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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Jim, your promo 45 info is consistent with every copy I've seen online to date, all of which have been marked "stereo". It's possible the lone mono appearance on CD is nothing more than a fold down of the stereo mix. Why the audio engineer would master it this way though, I have no idea.
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Todd, common sense tells me that a CD engineer wouldn't have folded
down a stereo master to mono, for CD inclusion. I find it always helps me to put myself in the label's shoes. At the time. It is late 1972. Quite possibly *the* first year when 50.1% of 45s were issued in stereo, not mono. Some labels were quicker to switch to stereo stock/promo 45s than others. This issue was on every label's "table" at the time. And, as we both already know, via our "yearly mono/stereo 45s threads", in 1972/73, different labels came to different decisions on what to make available. To both the public and to radio. I find it quite plausible that whoever was preparing "Leaving Me" for 45 release initially prepared a mono mix for it. Many labels had already been issuing promo 45s as mono/stereo. But very few in stereo only. Isn't it quite likely that this particular engineer created an original, mono "Leaving Me" master, just assuming that one would be required? But it never was. So here it was, sitting in some tape vault, unused, all these years, until someone pulled it and dubbed it off, for a CD licensing request. My best guess? It was that unused mono mix, making its worldwide CD debut! Due to simple carelessness. More background. Label owner Florence Greenberg, (or someday else at Scepter/Wand) had made the decision to "freshen up/modernize" their 45s for 1973. 1972 was a major transitional time at her label. Her #1 artist, Dionne Warwick, left to sign with WB. Her #2 artist, B.J. Thomas, had his last Top 40 for Scepter, in very early '72, and he would soon leave to sign with Paramount (and later ABC/MCA, Columbia, etc.) By late '72, the label's future was by far as tenuous as it had been since before the Shirelles started having hits in 1961. Just throwing it out there for you, good buddy! |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 190 |
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I think Jim is quite possibly correct with his theory. The only other thing
I'll add as a possibility is that the CD contains a vinyl dub, and the engineer purposely folded it to mono. This happened with the Carole Bayer Sager CD, as well as a few copies of "Forever" by Tierra. I may have mentioned this before, but vinyl dubs sound better when folded to mono, since some of the noise cancels out. |
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sriv94 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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Anyone know if the versions available on iTunes are legit? They run (3:21) or thereabouts and they come from a company called Gusto Records (but they say "original Wand recordings" on the CD JPG image). (I only have the (3:10) version from the Rhino disc.)
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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I suppose one way to test your theory, Jim, would be to do a fold down of the commonly available stereo mix on CD and then compare it to the mono CD appearance to see whether they match up or not. I don't have the lone mono CD in question, however, and at this juncture it's really not even on my "Wish List" given that all promo and commercial copies of this song appear to have been issued in stereo. |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Todd, your last sentence has got to be the truest thing you've ever said on
this board!!!! You ask just so many deeply detailed questions, about so many different songs. You know I always try and help you, as best I can. But in truth, I usually can't keep up. What vitamins do you take? :) I've already told you over the phone, that my nickname for you is "The Inquisitor!" All I know is that if you worked for the FBI or the CIA, 1) they'd need more staff, and 2) they'd solve a heck of a lot more crimes! |
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