Dawn-"Candida"

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   Both my commercial and promo 45s for this show a listed time of (3:02), but both actually run (3:05).

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jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Dawn-"Candida" Posted: 20 March 2007 at 4:47pm
	Both my commercial and promo 45s for this show a listed time of (3:02), but both actually run (3:05).

anthology123 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 20 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote anthology123 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 March 2007 at 3:02pm
	For those not familiar with the story behind this song, Tony Orlando sang one line at a time for this song to be used as a demo. His producer friend piece all the vocals together added, backing vocals and instruments and the rest is history. My source is the Goldmine magazine.

jrjr Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 December 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jrjr Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 March 2007 at 6:39pm
	First album, "Candida" (Bell 6052) featuring that and "Knock Three Times" with generic hippie couple on front cover... no musicians credited, but producer credit: "produced by the Tokens and Dave Appell"... legend has it that Toni Wine and Carol Bayer Sager sang background vocals... Second album "Dawn featuring Tony Orlando" (Bell 6069), w/cover photo of Tony (no mustache), Telma Hopkins and Joyce Vincent... still no musicians credited, but at least we know who the vocalists were... produced by "Hank Medress, Dave Appell and Tokens"... Top 40 hits, "Summer Sand", "I Play and Sing", and "What are you doing Sunday", recycled from the first album... the first Dawn album was the first album i ever bought... oh, the memories...

davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 August 2010 at 8:12am
	I have two different "versions" of this song. One is the mix on the Rhino "Best Of", the other is a stereo mix (from vinyl which I believe to be perhaps the stereo promo version). My point is that they differ. Not only is the mix very different (where the instruments are located), but on my vinyl, there are background vocals starting at 2:29 for 3 seconds that are NOT on the Rhino CD mix, and the vinyl does not contain the cymbals at the beginning of the song. I also have a mono mix that is without the background vocals at that point but contains the cymbals. This begs the question, was the original stereo mix different from the mono mix? Anyone can help here? Is the Rhino a new remix, done several years after it was a hit? Edited by davidclark
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MMathews Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MMathews Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 August 2010 at 2:16pm
	Hi guys, David, i never heard that Rhino remix until the Rhino best-of was released. I just assumed they actually got hold of the multi-track for it, or did some major digging thru tapes and found an existing unreleased stereo mix that was closer to the 45. I have never heard the mono 45, but had the song in mono on quite a few old V/A comps. I always wondered why it always seemed to turn up later in mono when the original Bell LP was in stereo. That slight mixing difference you discovered might explain that. BTW, for anyone interested, the original Bell stereo LP mix did turn up on an import CD. "The Very Best Of Dawn" on the BR Music label. (BR-145-2) Needed a little re-EQ, but it's from tapes and sounds pretty decent. The sound on the newer remixed stereo is excellent, but I'm a little partial to original mix because, well, that's the way i've heard it for 30 years!

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 45	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 August 2010 at 5:57pm
	Does this mean the MONO versions listed in the database match the 45?

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 August 2010 at 8:01pm
	The vinyl LP does have the background vocals at 2:29 and the mono 45 does not. I checked every cd in the database and the LP version does not appear on any of the cd's listed in the database.

davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 August 2010 at 10:59am
	thanks, Pat. I just realized I own the "Candida" LP (Bell 6052). I hauled out my turntable, and "Candida" is stereo, and it does indeed have the background vocals and the cymbals mixed out at the beginning. So, as you state, this LP version is missing from CD (although it's available as a download from iTunes).
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eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 45	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 August 2010 at 4:05am
	I'm wondering if there were different pressings of the AM Gold 1970 copy of this song. Though it's listed as stereo, my copy is definitely mono. The deadwax on mine is 10 OPCD 2605-2 SRC+01.