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    Posted: 02 May 2009 at 6:14pm
According to Jim, his commercial 45 copy of Jigsaw's "Sky High" has an actual and printed run time of 2:53. I only post this because the song's database CDs (with the exception of the lone rerecording entry) run 2:46-2:52.
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On Rhino's Have A Nice Day CD the intro was shortened to cue past the synthesizer fade-up.
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You've made an interesting observation, Hykker, because I just compared "Sky High" on the following CDs:

Billboard Top Hits - 1975 (Rhino 70670)
Super Hits of the 70's Volume 15 (Rhino 70762)
Rock 'n Roll Relix 1974-1975 (Eclipse Music Group 64894)

The intro starts cold on the Rock 'n Roll Relix disc, yet it fades in on the Billboard and Super Hits of the 70's CDs. Meanwhile, the song's ending on the latter two discs fades out roughly :04 sooner than on the former CD. (By the way, I also detect what sounds like some vinyl crackling during the intro of both the Rhino CDs, so I'm wondering if these are vinyl dubs?)

Although I passed along Jim's run times for his commercial 45 of "Sky High", I do not have a copy of it to verify how the intro begins. It's also possible that the song might have a different intro on the Jigsaw Sky High 1975 vinyl LP. If anyone can furnish information for either, it may be a big help in solving this mystery.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2009 at 9:59pm
I had remembered the subject of this song came up in the lengthy "CDs Mastered From Vinyl" thread.

Gordon (EdisonLite) posted this about "Sky High":

<Jigsaw "Skyhigh" is indeed mastered from vinyl on many VA comps (I have only 3 total), however I believe it's from tape on Targon's Very Best Of (or cleaned up very well!).>

Being that I was the co-producer of Taragon's "Very Best of Jigsaw" I can confirm that the master tape was used. All Jigsaw import CDs that contain "Sky High" are from master tape, too. I don't have all the U.S. various artist comps, and I can't quite recall about the Rhino "Super Hits", other than I remember the intro was faded in instead of starting at the proper volume, and that does make me suspicious as to whether they used vinyl and needed to cover it up in the quiet spot.
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Yes, and having been co-producer on that Taragon "Best of Jigsaw" CD, I spoke firsthand with the master tape owner, Chas Peate, and master tape was used for "Sky High."

Also, to answer the question above, the song does not have a different intro on the Jigsaw Sky High 1975 vinyl LP. Rhino was the first label to fade in and out on "Sky High", and the other fadein CDs are just copies of the Rhino source, which would seem to be from vinyl to hide the noise in the quiet intro and outro.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Todd Ireland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2009 at 6:31am
Thanks, Gordon and John. There's lot of significant info here that should probably be incorporated into the database.
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And FYI, the only vinyl source used on the 24-song Taragaon "Best of Jigsaw" CD was for the Hot 100 hit "Brand New Love Affair". Chas Peate explained to me that Wes Farrell requested the original tape to add applause/cheering to the recording and make it seem like it was a live recording (which is rather odd in itself considering the recording fades, and most live bands just end a song rather than fade it.) Thus, when "Brand New Love Affair" became an A-side single (instead of the B-side of "Sky High"), suddenly the same recording had concert applause. Anyway, years later while transferring the Jigsaw catalog from master tape to DAT, Chas realized he didn't have the masters on the no-applause or applause versions of this song and deduced that Wes Farrell never sent them back.

Also, of all Jigsaw's recordings between 1972 and the mid '80s, this is the only one where vinyl had to be used. (And btw, there are a total of 160 Jigsaw recordings. Most US fans think they had just the 3 albums = 30 songs, but that's not the case at all.)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 80smusicfreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2009 at 1:55pm
Originally posted by EdisonLite EdisonLite wrote:

Most US fans think they had just the 3 albums...


True, and I also know for a fact that - here in the U.S., anyway - "Sky High" appeared on more than one of those albums, which seems to have been overlooked here. Although they're currently buried away in my closet, and I haven't listened to either in quite some time, I know because I have both albums on cassette. The first was 1975's "Sky High" album, on Chelsea 509, which was the one on store shelves at the time the song was a hit (features drawings of the four band members & puzzle pieces on the cover). But then in 1977, the song also appeared on their self-titled album, on 20th Century 545 (features just the band's new logo on the front cover). Are the versions of "Sky High" on the two different albums identical in every way???
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YES!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote budaniel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2009 at 12:31pm
so, on Rock n Roll Relix, is it the complete recording NOT mastered from vinyl? Other than the taragon release, what other source is correct? Because the Taragon release is out of print and getting pricey very fast on amazon.

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