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jebsib ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Hey all,
Going through all of Joel Whitburn's weekly Hot 100 scans, I am noticing that the early 1970s must have had some sort of recurrent policy where songs routinely dropped completely off the chart - seemingly unnaturally - when they were still fairly high (from the 20s, teens, etc)... Does anyone know if this was a policy at the time / what it was / and what dates it covered? I was under the impression that the Recurrent rule started in 1991, but there MUST have been something similar back in the 70s... |
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AutumnAarilyn ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 22 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Stations would under-report recurrents.
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 31 |
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I've often wondered about that issue myself. It seems like for most of the 1960s and the first few years of the 1970s,
that songs would fall completely off the Hot 100 once they dropped below the Top 40. However, I can always find some exceptions. I've never seen any "official" documentation about this. Of course, back then Billboard rarely addressed how they compiled the charts and we just may never know every detail that went into the process. |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 12 |
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As someone who was working in radio in the late 60s/70s (albeit part time, and before 1974 at stations in unrated markets), I don't recall there even being such a thing as a recurrent prior to 1973 or so. Chart turnover was fairly fast, and once a song started its descent it was only a couple weeks before it dropped off, and didn't return except as an oldie (which was generally considered something a year or more old). I'm sure policy on this varied from station to station, in general songs just disappeared for a while after dropping out of the top 30. Even in the 90s when I was music director for an R&R reporting CHR, we did not report spins of recurrents to the trades. |
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torcan ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 23 June 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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This has always confused me too. Quite frequently during
this period, songs could still be near the top 20 and drop all the way off the following week. It wasn't realistic to think the difference between No. 20 and No. 100 was so close all the time that records dropping more than 80 spots and out was the norm. On another site, it was theorized that as soon as a song peaked, once it dropped for three consecutive weeks Billboard automatically took it off the following week. If you look closely you'll see that this was usually the case. The purpose of the Hot 100 always seemed to be to showcase the new-rising songs, rather than songs that had already been successful. It was in June 1973 that chart methodology changed and songs were allowed to stay on and keep dropping until they naturally fell off. |
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AndrewChouffi ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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Hi People,
Although I'm confident everyone is right about Billboard having different (possibly unwritten) recurrent rules through the ages, please don't forget the role promotion departments had affecting the charts. Let's say a record was being worked up the charts that the label thought could become a top-five record, but it seems to be underperforming when its charting in the twenties. The promotion department gets word that some stations are pulling it (or maybe some records in stores are just sitting on the shelves...) so the promo department wants to stop pressuring PDs who are still playing it to increase rotation because they would be 'beating the dead horse' with many stations concurrently dropping the record. The promo person tells the station the equivalent of "focus your attention now on this other, newer record". Because of this, the original record plummets on the charts, not because it's a certified stiff, but because the label doesn't want to spend anymore resourses & money on it so nobody reports it to the charts anymore (even if it's still working well & being played in some markets). Anybody who has any similar (or different) stories please chime in! Andy |
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AutumnAarilyn ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 22 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I've read where a label's promo dept. (RCA?) preferred
that radio stop playing a song after it peaked on the country chart. I assume it was on this site that someone told the story. Frank Lucas (not the notorious drug lord) apparently had one of the longest charting singles in the mid 70's on the R&B chart with "Good thing man". It was on the private ICA label and a song I've never heard of. There have been many tales told about indie distributors and labels running out of product when a song is hot. That may have played a factor if it had regional prolonged airplay. It's in the vein of a southern song but it's also a stepper so maybe Chicago finding out about this song late in the game may have left it on the charts for a long time. The laws of diminishing margin utility is what drives down a song's popularity regarding purchases since all or most who want it already have it. Furthermore if the labels run out of product when the song is heading down the parabola, they probably won't press more. That's actually why things go out of print. Other's get the cut- out because labels want to get that inventory off the books in that tax year. Growth and contraction is never straight line. Edited by AutumnAarilyn |
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EdisonLite ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 58 |
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<Even in the 90s when I was music director for an R&R reporting CHR, we
did not report spins of recurrents to the trades.> I always found it hard to fathom that a song could be dropping, say at 15- 20, and then off the top 100 the next week... as in, it's statistically impossible for all stations to stop PLAYING a song in the same week. But what you say is something I hadn't considered, and that is that the stations simply stopped reporting that they were still playing the song that was dropping. That makes a bit more sense, but it also means that all these stations stopped reporting the spins of the 45 during the same week. I remember observing the country charts in the mid to late '80s, and a #1 song would almost always last there just one week and then drop considerably the next week (usually out of the top 10, maybe from 1 to 15). And it baffled me that all the country radio stations could coordinate playing the most popular song one week, and then play it so little just after one week of top popularity, that it would drop out of the top 10. That would take a lot of radio station coordination! And of course, I didn't think that was happening. But I couldn't figure out what WAS happening that this happened so much specifically on the Country chart during that period in the latter '80s. Edited by EdisonLite |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 31 |
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Gordon, it's my understanding that the label reps were the ones that were requesting (begging?) the
Country radio stations to stop listing songs on their playlists once they hit #1. The reasoning being that the label wanted to move on to the next single and/or wanted another song to be able to claim it was #1. As for the Top 40 (CHR) stations, there were some that dropped a song from high on the charts, but the vast majority of them would move the song(s) down a bit before taking them off completely. This can be confirmed by perusing the thousands of charts now posted at ARSA. Edited by Paul Haney |
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