Neil Diamond - 1969 - HOLLY HOLY

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   ...continuing with my Neil Diamond analysis.  I just listened to the 45 of Holly Holy and I believe the 45 is not an early fade of the LP.  At 4:14 of the LP version (at least the version I have on "His 12 Greatest Hits", he sings the line "Holly Holy Rain".  At 4:09 of the 45, he skips this 9 second line and sings (rather screams) "Holly Holy Love", which comes after he sings "...Rain" on the LP.

So, unless my "His 12 Greatest Hits" is not the LP version, the 45 is a "45 version" and the LP "LP version".  The "In My Lifetime" version is faster than my "His 12 Greatest Hits" version but slower than my 45.  Perhaps this was a crude attempt to get the 45?  Man, all they need to do is listen to one!

Unfortunately I don't have any other ND CDs to compare...

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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 25	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Neil Diamond - 1969 - HOLLY HOLY Posted: 02 May 2006 at 5:49pm
	...continuing with my Neil Diamond analysis. I just listened to the 45 of Holly Holy and I believe the 45 is not an early fade of the LP. At 4:14 of the LP version (at least the version I have on "His 12 Greatest Hits", he sings the line "Holly Holy Rain". At 4:09 of the 45, he skips this 9 second line and sings (rather screams) "Holly Holy Love", which comes after he sings "...Rain" on the LP. So, unless my "His 12 Greatest Hits" is not the LP version, the 45 is a "45 version" and the LP "LP version". The "In My Lifetime" version is faster than my "His 12 Greatest Hits" version but slower than my 45. Perhaps this was a crude attempt to get the 45? Man, all they need to do is listen to one! Unfortunately I don't have any other ND CDs to compare... Edited by davidclark
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MMathews Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MMathews Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 May 2006 at 6:19pm
	Hi David! Just a reminder - the version on the MCA "12 Greatest Hits" Cd is remixed. I don't recall where the subtle differences were, but if you compare the vinyl "hits" or the vinyl LP version with the remix you'll hear a vocal difference. I recall there's one line he sings in the LP version where the remix turns his vocal track down in the spot... -MM

davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 25	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 May 2006 at 7:14pm
	Hi Markie! yeah, i know this version is a remix. But is it a remix of the LP version? I will need to pull an LP I guess to verify. Done. I have reason to believe the remix could be a different vocal take. Perhaps not all of it, but I found at least two times where the vocal is different: when he sings "and I fly" at 2:08 and 3:38. Also as Markie states, the remix removes his vocal from 3:42 to 3:45 (timings from the remix). It wouldn't surprise me at all, as although I like what Steve Hoffman did for MCA in the early days of the CD, he did use many wrong takes, versions, etc. Anyone care to chime in on this thread? Don't forget about the 45 being an edit, not an early fade! Edited by davidclark
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Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 2006 at 5:23pm
	I finally had the time to pull out the vinyl LP "Touching You Touching Me" and the cd of the same name and they are identical. As David has pointed out above, there really is an edit of the LP version to get the 45 version and unfortunately that 45 edit has yet to appear on cd in the US.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 February 2008 at 7:39pm
	Reviving this thread, David was kind enough to send me his 45 dub. I compared it to my 20th Century Masters: Millennium Collection CD. The speed seems to be the same up to a point...still investigating. Edited by eriejwg

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 February 2008 at 8:35pm
	See above... Edited by eriejwg

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 February 2008 at 9:31pm
	Well, I came up with a stereo edit matching the 45. Don't ask me how, LOL. Besides the edit, I pitched up the LP in a couple places...

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 June 2008 at 12:51am
	My commercial 45, which is mono, and confirmed as UNI 55175, has a listed time of (4:27), but an actual time of (4:30).

davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 25	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 2011 at 4:19am
	bumping up this thread, as the database does not yet reflect the versions that are the original LP version vs. the "remix with vocal differences" (as found on His 12 Greatest Hits).
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Hykker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hykker Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 2011 at 5:33am
	I have a TM-Century GoldDisc with this on it in which the song has been pitched waaaaay down. Not sure where this came from...I have the original album and it's not this draggy there. Maybe a mastering error on TM's part?