Billy Joel - Say Goodbye To Hollywood

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   The database shows this song with a "length" distinction between LP and 45.  

I have a dub of the 45, and the drum intro (before the piano and bass kick 

in) sounds like it is only half as long as what's on the (live) LP.  Should this be 

a "version" distinction instead?  (Also, the 45 fades in the crowd noise while 

the LP comes in at full volume, although that's not uncommon with live hits.)

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mstgator Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 06 September 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote mstgator Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Billy Joel - Say Goodbye To Hollywood Posted: 24 June 2011 at 5:49pm
	The database shows this song with a "length" distinction between LP and 45. I have a dub of the 45, and the drum intro (before the piano and bass kick in) sounds like it is only half as long as what's on the (live) LP. Should this be a "version" distinction instead? (Also, the 45 fades in the crowd noise while the LP comes in at full volume, although that's not uncommon with live hits.)

abagon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 01 March 2008 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote abagon Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 June 2011 at 10:17am
	Good catch, mstgator! I compared the commercial 45 with the "Songs In The Attic" LP. On the LP, the Billy's vocal starts at :22. On the 45, his vocal starts at :10. Actually, the audiences' applause from the start on the 45 is shorter than the LP. --abagon

Paul C Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 23 October 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paul C Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 June 2011 at 11:20am
	The original, non-remastered edition of Greatest Hits Volume I & II contains the live recording and is identified in the database as the 45 version. On this CD, however, the track fades in and fades out earlier than on the 45. The true 45 version can therefore not be recreated from this CD. The remastered edition of the CD contains the original studio version.

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 June 2011 at 6:10pm
	You can come darn close to creating the 45 version by editing the version on the original Greatest Hits Volume I & II. By removing the first :05 of audience applause you will end up with an edit that is :03 shorter than the 45. Yes the original "length" entry has been changed to "version".

MMathews Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MMathews Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 August 2016 at 2:39pm
	Bump for Doug

sriv94 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote sriv94 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 August 2016 at 4:14pm
	Thanks, Mark. While this helps, it also doesn't help at the same time (if that makes any sense). The 45 fades in, but in order to make the edit you have to remove the five seconds of extra applause from the CD (then I assume fade in from there). Then from what I'm reading here, you need to add the next eight seconds or so from the LP version to make the fadeout correct (and get a running time of (3:52), which is what Abagon reported is the correct running time of the single). Oy vey. Is there anyone who could try this, or has a really good quality/declicked needledrop?
	Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken.

MMathews Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MMathews Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 August 2016 at 8:28pm
	Doug, I could whip up this 45 edit from the LP version in 5 minutes. I have the LP version, all I need is a 45 dub for reference. I have an mp3 taken from the Gr. Hits CD so I know where the 2 edits are in the intro. But this mp3 didn't rip right, so it's missing the beginning and end of the file so I have no reference for the fade-in or fade-out. MM