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    Posted: 16 February 2011 at 10:27am
It's another A&B sides comp. I'm loving these. Sure hope they do one of Elvis's '60s singles soon.

http://store.royorbison.com/royorbisonthemonumentsinglescoll ectioncd.aspx

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Not to ask a dumb question, but why are there 20 songs on the "A sides" disc and only 19 on the "B sides" disc? Did 2 of his singles have the same B side?

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I had read that his mono 45s were simply fold-downs of the stereo mixes
(with the exception of "Oh, Pretty Woman" with its different line). Can
anyone chime in here? I would hope that the mono singles were unique
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Originally posted by davidclark davidclark wrote:

I had read that his mono 45s were simply fold-downs of the stereo mixes
(with the exception of "Oh, Pretty Woman" with its different line). Can
anyone chime in here? I would hope that the mono singles were unique
mixes.

That's true, but the problem is getting the original Bill Porter mixes. Several of Orbison's compilations were remixed, so folding them would not result in an identical match to the 45s. To get all the A&B sides in the original stereo mixes, you'd have to buy several CDs.
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I didn't know about the remixes. Does the Rhino "For The Lonely..." comp
contain remixes? If so, which are?

The database doesn't indicate any remixes for Roy, but then again, it often
doesn't contain remix info for songs that are. thanks.
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Originally posted by davidclark davidclark wrote:

I didn't know about the remixes. Does the Rhino "For The Lonely..." comp
contain remixes? If so, which are?

The database doesn't indicate any remixes for Roy, but then again, it often
doesn't contain remix info for songs that are. thanks.

I believe that's the one that's all remixed. The old "All Time Greatest Hits," the one with the white cover with gold lettering, has all the original mixes. However, it does not contain all the B-sides.

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There are several differences. Fixes were made on "In Dreams" for the mono single as Roy came in slightly late at one point so the line was re-sung. But they didn't fix the stereo version.

Love Hurts is an entirely different vocal take on the mono 45.

I never checked the All Times Greatest Hits CD for phase problems but some of the original LPs of that complilation were out of phase, you couldn't fold them down as they sounded bad in mono.

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Originally posted by Hykker Hykker wrote:

Not to ask a dumb question, but why are there 20 songs on the "A sides" disc and only 19 on the "B sides" disc? Did 2 of his singles have the same B side?



Yes, "Distant Drums" was the B-side for both "Falling" and "Let The Good Times Roll".
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Steve Hoffman had some things to say a few weeks ago about the Orbison mono/stereo situation. He knew Bill Porter (the recordings' original engineer) personally:

Quote First, if Vic [Anesini] is involved it's going to be neat.

Second, my friend Bill Porter carefully (I repeat) CAREFULLY laid out his stereo image, even going so far as to hardwire certain pots in a fixed position so they couldn't be moved. The drums he (very futuristicly) placed in the center, the other instruments to the left and right in a tasteful array. Bill was very proud of his stereo work. To say his stereo mixes were just pre-mono is just silly talk.

When Bill monitored in mono he was getting his balance between vocal and instruments. However, this is pointless to even discuss because the stereo mixes WERE NOT USED IN CUTTING MONO RECORDS.

What does this mean? It means that Monument went to these stereo two-track tapes and bounced them to a full track mono machine tape dub adding more reverb and a lot more compression so that the vocal is smooshed down too much (for my taste).

IF YOU WANT A TRUE SONIC PICTURE OF WHAT BILL PORTER WAS GOING FOR, YOU MUST L+R THE STEREO VERSIONS. This will give you the best aural picture of what Porter heard in the studio before the extra mono compression, echo and EQ. If you want what the singles sounded like, get this new comp (I assume the mono dubs will be used and not the stereos)

That being said, it will be interesting to see what Vic comes up with.

I miss Bill Porter, he was a great friend and it was always exciting to talk to him. RIP.


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I listened to this today online through Thumbplay which is the same as Rhapsody.

Oh, Pretty Woman is the single version with the altered line without the rechanneled effects that marred other releases of the single version on CD. Good news there.

However "In Dreams" does not match what I have on my mono "More of Roy Orbison's Greatest Hits" LP. I don't have an original 45 but I thought it matched that mono LP, so somebody who has the 45 will have to double check.

Here's how you can tell the difference: Where Roy sings "I remember that you said goodbye, it's too bad that all these things" the word "goodbye" is shorter on the "More" mono LP, and Roy comes in on time for "it's too bad". On the stereo version the word "goodbye" is extended and he is slightly late on the "it's too bad" line. If the single matches the mono "More" LP version, than they either used a stereo fold down for this track or there were two copies of the mono single, and they used the version that wasn't fixed.

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