Richard Marx-"Hold On To The Nights"

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   Since database CD listings for the "45 Version" of this song run between (4:24) and (4:34), I decided to time my commercial 45. It states "LP Edit", has a listed time of (4:34) and an actual time of (4:33). My promo 45 also has this exact same version on one side of it. But the other side of my promo 45 has a "Live Version", with a listed time of (4:50) and an actual time of (4:48). My promo CD single (DPRO-04061) also has the exact same two tracks that appear on my promo 45. The database currently states "DJ copies of this 45 ran (4:20) and (4:34)". Pat, perhaps you own a different promo 45 than I do, because I have no evidence of a DJ 45 version that has either a listed or an actual time of (4:20).

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jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Richard Marx-"Hold On To The Nights" Posted: 10 December 2007 at 10:28am
	Since database CD listings for the "45 Version" of this song run between (4:24) and (4:34), I decided to time my commercial 45. It states "LP Edit", has a listed time of (4:34) and an actual time of (4:33). My promo 45 also has this exact same version on one side of it. But the other side of my promo 45 has a "Live Version", with a listed time of (4:50) and an actual time of (4:48). My promo CD single (DPRO-04061) also has the exact same two tracks that appear on my promo 45. The database currently states "DJ copies of this 45 ran (4:20) and (4:34)". Pat, perhaps you own a different promo 45 than I do, because I have no evidence of a DJ 45 version that has either a listed or an actual time of (4:20).

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 128	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 December 2007 at 12:30pm
	Jim, I believe the (4:20) version is the AC Edit that Pat is referring to.

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 December 2007 at 5:57pm
	I cannot find a vinyl 45 or cd single in my collection with a stated time of (4:20) so someone must have emailed the information to me. Does anyone out there have this (4:20) dj copy?

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 128	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 December 2007 at 3:22am
	The AC Edit is on promo 45 7PRO-04064 with a listed time of (4:20). It is a slightly remixed version, other than running shorter than the stock 45.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 51	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 December 2007 at 4:49am
	There is a version on the Japanese import CD called "Ballads" with a listed time of 4:23. Meaningless, I know, since imports aren't listed in the database.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 128	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 December 2007 at 11:59pm
	Still, good information about that Ballads CD. It's worth looking into.

Bellenger1981 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 July 2019 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bellenger1981 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 October 2024 at 1:22pm
	Note that the 45 version gets a "remixed by David Cole" credit. Would you all agree that the intro is remixed? If you listen to the album version, the keyboard overlaps the bass line where the 45 version starts. The 45 version starts clean with just the bass and not remnants of the keyboard. It's not simply just an edit of the album version. I checked my "Richard Marx" album credits, and it lists "engineered and mixed by David Cole" for "Hold On to the Nights". For its single release, I bet David Cole went back in to remix the intro without the keyboard overlap. Edited by Bellenger1981
	Jason Bellenger Byron Center, Michigan, USA

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 41	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 October 2024 at 8:34pm
	I did a null test of the 45 version vs. the LP version. There's an edit at 10.4 seconds into the 45 (excluding the intro silence), after which the 45 matches the LP (with an EQ difference). I'd bet that the first 10.4 seconds of the 45 are remixed (compared to the LP), but that's about it. Also, the "AC Edit" isn't just a slight remix; the "AC Edit" actually omits the big drums that come in after the solo. I heard this version quite a bit on the radio back then, and it confused me because the LP and 45 both have the big drums.
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Bellenger1981 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 July 2019 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bellenger1981 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 October 2024 at 2:34pm
	Thank you for your analysis on this one, Ron! I used to hear the "AC Edit" quite a bit on the radio. The "AC Edit" outro, which is cut and pasted from the 45/LP version outro, has always bothered me. It just seems a bit off and sloppy.
	Jason Bellenger Byron Center, Michigan, USA

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 128	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 October 2024 at 6:43pm
	Actually, that outro is uniquely mixed and is not simply spliced on from the original version. If you listed to the 45 version ending, you'll hear an additional synthesizer that is missing from the AC Edit's ending. I agree that the edit is clunky, though.
	Aaron Kannowski Uptown Sound 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop