https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 22:16:52 +0000 Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:05:17 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=9377 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57777&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57777 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 9377
Posted: 26 March 2021 at 5:05pm

Actually, I don't think that would happen here, because you can't edit the 45 version down from the LP version. The engineer wouldn't have the right source material to do a new edit.

I think that the Rhino version uses the proper 45 source tape, but with some tape drag in the analog transfer at the beginning of the song.]]> Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:05:17 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57777&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57777 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57776&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57776 Author: David Pro
Subject: 9377
Posted: 26 March 2021 at 11:05am

aaronk wrote: Based on what Ron said above, it seems that the LP version and 45 version are different edits of a longer take. There are spots in the LP version where an edit is audible, so that seems plausible. Also, regarding the Billboard disc, not only does the entire song run too slow, but also the first 4-5 seconds run even slower. The song picks up speed at that point, and the pitch seems fairly constant for the remainder.

It could be possible that the
version of "The Flame" appearing on
Billboard Top Hits: 1988 is
another recreation of a single edit
done by Bill Inglot rather than the
actual single edit much like
another songs on the Billboard
Top Hits series such as Spandau
Ballet's "True", Hall & Oates "Kiss
on My List", Air Supply's "Making
Love Out of Nothing At All" and
Blondie's "Call Me".]]> Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:05:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57776&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57776 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57178&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57178 Author: PopArchivist
Subject: 9377
Posted: 22 January 2021 at 12:07pm

aaronk wrote: You're right that the sound is a synth and not a tambourine, but I agree with Ron that the segment in question is unique and not found on the LP version. On the 45 version, the synth note comes noticeably early before the drum hit, and I could not find anywhere in the LP version where that occurs. Every other time that passage is played, the synth and drum are played at the same time. Also, segment 5:02 to 5:06 of the LP version has a different drum pattern/fill that does not match with 4:10 to 4:14 of the 45 version.

You are absolutely correct in your assessment sir.]]> Fri, 22 Jan 2021 12:07:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57178&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57178 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57175&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57175 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 9377
Posted: 22 January 2021 at 8:15am

Sorry, radiofan16, but I agree with Aaron. The 4:10-4:14 segment of the 45 version is different from the 5:02-5:06 segment of the LP version.]]> Fri, 22 Jan 2021 08:15:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57175&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57175 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57174&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57174 Author: aaronk
Subject: 9377
Posted: 22 January 2021 at 7:03am

You're right that the sound is a synth and not a tambourine, but I agree with Ron that the segment in question is unique and not found on the LP version. On the 45 version, the synth note comes noticeably early before the drum hit, and I could not find anywhere in the LP version where that occurs. Every other time that passage is played, the synth and drum are played at the same time. Also, segment 5:02 to 5:06 of the LP version has a different drum pattern/fill that does not match with 4:10 to 4:14 of the 45 version.]]> Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:03:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57174&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57174 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57173&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57173 Author: radiofan16
Subject: 9377
Posted: 22 January 2021 at 3:40am

And now to give everybody a headache, I'm going to make a correction. :)

The 45 can be edited from the LP, there is no mix difference but a simple out
of sequence edit.

The sound you hear at 4:14 on the 45 version is not, I repeat *not* a
tambourin, it is simply an extra note from the Roland D50 synth that appears
throughout the song. This is very obvious if you're listening with headphones,
as it's right there in your left channel. After Robin sings "you" the synth plays
four notes followed by a fifth note and the down beat.

This does appear on the LP version, listen closely at 5:06 seconds and that
extra note is right there, it also appears at 5:16.

So Segment #2 can be made just take 5:02 to 5:06 and paste it.

]]> Fri, 22 Jan 2021 03:40:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57173&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57173 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57111&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57111 Author: PopArchivist
Subject: 9377
Posted: 16 January 2021 at 2:53pm

eriejwg wrote: Now that you mention it, the first few seconds of the Billboard disc sound like tape drag maybe?

Based on Aaron's correct file, the song should run 4:43.]]> Sat, 16 Jan 2021 14:53:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57111&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57111 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57108&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57108 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 9377
Posted: 16 January 2021 at 12:43pm

Now that you mention it, the first few seconds of the
Billboard disc sound like tape drag maybe?]]> Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:43:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57108&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57108 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57106&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57106 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 9377
Posted: 16 January 2021 at 12:35pm

I didn't speed up the first few seconds of the Billboard
disc only the song itself. So what options are there for a
45 version that runs the proper length, proper pitch, and
doesn't fade early?]]> Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:35:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57106&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57106 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57104&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57104 Author: aaronk
Subject: 9377
Posted: 16 January 2021 at 12:28pm

Based on what Ron said above, it seems that the LP version and 45 version are different edits of a longer take. There are spots in the LP version where an edit is audible, so that seems plausible. Also, regarding the Billboard disc, not only does the entire song run too slow, but also the first 4-5 seconds run even slower. The song picks up speed at that point, and the pitch seems fairly constant for the remainder.]]> Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:28:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9377&PID=57104&title=cheap-trick-the-flame#57104