https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 00:00:44 +0000 Sat, 14 Mar 2015 15:00:29 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=8317 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43285&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43285 Author: Chatfan MA
Subject: 8317
Posted: 14 March 2015 at 3:00pm

Thnx Paul and Hykker,

Then the formula was probably the same as with the TOP 100
... a combination of charts retail sales, sales in juke
box and airplay by djs

some evaluations I made for pleasure for the time when
there were these three charts and the TOP 100
simultaneously , the position in the TOP 100 was most
times identical with the average of positions for the same
title in all three charts.]]> Sat, 14 Mar 2015 15:00:29 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43285&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43285 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43270&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43270 Author: Hykker
Subject: 8317
Posted: 13 March 2015 at 7:28am

Paul Haney wrote: Weighted factors in the carefully designed formula include disk jockey plays, juke box activity and sales at the retail level. Again, they never really revealed to the public the exact formula over the years, so we can only speculate.

Probably wasn't one. Until well into the 80s, few stations
outside of the major markets kept airplay logs...certainly
none of the stations I worked at did, and several were
reporting stations. The PD/MD would submit a ranked list
of what we were playing once a week but that was it...there
was no way to tell if a given song got 5 plays or 50. As a
jock I never had to keep track (other during BMI/ASCAP
reporting sweeps).

If I'm not mistaken, it was more or less the same thing at
surveyed retailers.

Only jukebox play had the ability to be accurately tracked.


Edited by Hykker]]> Fri, 13 Mar 2015 07:28:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43270&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43270 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43268&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43268 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 8317
Posted: 13 March 2015 at 5:59am

Chatfan MA wrote: Nevertheless, does anyone have Billboard's introduction issue of the HOT 100 from August 04, 1958 to see what was written there?

Yes, I have the original article in front of me. They don't give any specific ratios, but here's what they say:

Weighted factors in the carefully designed formula include disk jockey plays, juke box activity and sales at the retail level.

Again, they never really revealed to the public the exact formula over the years, so we can only speculate.]]> Fri, 13 Mar 2015 05:59:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43268&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43268 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43264&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43264 Author: Chatfan MA
Subject: 8317
Posted: 12 March 2015 at 5:06pm

I agree, times have changed and nowadays we know average
ratios of the HOT 100 .. interesting for maybe personal
calculations or not. Nevertheless, does anyone have
Billboard's introduction issue of the HOT 100 from August
04, 1958 to see what was written there?]]> Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:06:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43264&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43264 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43263&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43263 Author: Chatfan MA
Subject: 8317
Posted: 12 March 2015 at 5:00pm

Paul Haney wrote: Back in 1958, there wasn't nearly the interest in the "behind the scenes" workings of the charts as there seems to be these days with the internet and social media. Until recently, Billboard was never very forthcoming in the exact ratios used for the different components of the Hot 100 over the years and that was their prerogative. The only sure-fire way I know how to get the correct answers is to ask somebody that actually worked in the chart department during whichever era you're wondering about. Of course, those that were there from the 1950s-1970s are either long- retired or dead, so we are left to speculate. IMO, what really matters are the actual chart positions and not how they were put together, although I do admit that it would be interesting to know for sure.

]]> Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:00:29 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43263&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43263 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43260&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43260 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 8317
Posted: 12 March 2015 at 6:37am

Back in 1958, there wasn't nearly the interest in the "behind the scenes" workings of the charts as there seems to be these days with the internet and social media. Until recently, Billboard was never very forthcoming in the exact ratios used for the different components of the Hot 100 over the years and that was their prerogative. The only sure-fire way I know how to get the correct answers is to ask somebody that actually worked in the chart department during whichever era you're wondering about. Of course, those that were there from the 1950s-1970s are either long-retired or dead, so we are left to speculate. IMO, what really matters are the actual chart positions and not how they were put together, although I do admit that it would be interesting to know for sure.

Edited by Paul Haney]]> Thu, 12 Mar 2015 06:37:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43260&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43260 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43257&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43257 Author: Chatfan MA
Subject: 8317
Posted: 11 March 2015 at 3:55pm

Dear Chartfans, among many interesting facts and
discussions I have read here some posts on BB chat
methodologies. Nowadays the HOT 100 is a subject of
constant changes and BB kindly announces them with the
given ratios between sales, airplay and streaming
services. However, I never read something about the ratio
between sales and airplay at the time when the HOT 100
was launched on Aug 04, 1958. Unfortunately there is no
copy of the BB magazine published in Google books for
that date. I hoped there would be some information on
this subject. Personally I assume there must have been a
ratio of 60% for sales (retail, including stores and juke
boxes) and 40% radio/DJ. Who knows more?      ]]> Wed, 11 Mar 2015 15:55:56 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8317&PID=43257&title=billboard-hot-100-methogology-1958#43257