https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 18:59:17 +0000 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:53:25 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=7743 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39485&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39485 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 7743
Posted: 23 October 2013 at 5:53pm

It was both remixed and overdubbed. Listen to the full-blown harmonies on the single remix of the word "sky" in the near-ending line "taken by the sky". Listen to the lame "sky" on the original LP version.

Andy]]> Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:53:25 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39485&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39485 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39483&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39483 Author: sriv94
Subject: 7743
Posted: 23 October 2013 at 4:00pm

Hykker wrote: Rhiannon was an edit (instrumental bridge just before the final chorus was edited off the single version). Maybe you're thinking of "Say You Love Me".

While "Rhiannon" was an edit, there's extra guitar work during some points of the song on the 45, so you can't correctly replicate the 45 from the LP. I don't know if I'd call it a remix or an overdub.]]> Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:00:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39483&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39483 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39482&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39482 Author: Hykker
Subject: 7743
Posted: 23 October 2013 at 3:13pm

AndrewChouffi wrote: Warners in particular was known for that (such as labeling "Rhiannon" 'Edit' instead of 'Remix'.

Rhiannon was an edit (instrumental bridge just before the
final chorus was edited off the single version). Maybe
you're thinking of "Say You Love Me".

]]> Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:13:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39482&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39482 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39480&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39480 Author: torcan
Subject: 7743
Posted: 23 October 2013 at 1:50pm

Interesting analysis. I think I've noted on here in the past that, in the early '80s, most commercial singles were edited although longer versions were sometimes available on promo singles.

By the mid-late '80s, it had reversed. Quite often a short promo-edit was available to radio but the LP version was on the commercial 45. Geffen, for example, did that quite a bit.]]> Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:50:16 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39480&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39480 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39479&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39479 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 7743
Posted: 23 October 2013 at 12:15pm

My guess to the answer to the question is twofold:

Vinyl jukebox operators were still a reasonably potent industry force & they hated long singles (because of taking away from profit as well as skipping issues). People at a bar would try a b-side of a cut they liked.

Also, the industry was beginning to try desperately to get people to buy the album instead of the 45. So singles customers might see that both sides were edited & buy the LP. Warners in particular was known for that (such as labeling "Rhiannon" 'Edit' instead of 'Remix'. Other singles were labeled 'Edit' when there was only a few seconds off the fade, etc.)

Pure speculation on my part...

Andy

Edited by AndrewChouffi]]> Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:15:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39479&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39479 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39478&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39478 Author: sriv94
Subject: 7743
Posted: 23 October 2013 at 9:07am

That's a point. I guess Ian's question still stands. :)]]> Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:07:33 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39478&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39478 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39477&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39477 Author: Hykker
Subject: 7743
Posted: 23 October 2013 at 6:35am

sriv94 wrote: And perhaps enough radio stations were flipping over the record to warrant an early fade of the B-side

Except that most stations would have been serviced with a
mono/stereo promo copy. I don't think I ever heard
"Minstrel Gigolo" on the air.

]]> Wed, 23 Oct 2013 06:35:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39477&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39477 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39470&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39470 Author: sriv94
Subject: 7743
Posted: 22 October 2013 at 4:40pm

One thing I just learned making the fade. The opening guitar strum is actually part of the negative track index following "Sailing" on the Christopher Cross CD. So if you don't paste it in the opening will sound truncated.

And perhaps enough radio stations were flipping over the record to warrant an early fade of the B-side (which itself was an early fade of the LP). You're right that most B-sides were issued as was from the LP.

Edited by sriv94]]> Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:40:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39470&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39470 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39467&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39467 Author: torcan
Subject: 7743
Posted: 22 October 2013 at 2:30pm

I think the 4:00 version of "Minstrel Gigolo" is the far more common B-side of "Ride LIke the Wind". I don't think I've ever seen one with the 5:20 version, except for once on e-bay, which I passed on. The 4:00 B-side is easy to find.

I wonder what the reasoning was behind editing a B-side, especially when it was an artists first single.]]> Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:30:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39467&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39467 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39459&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39459 Author: sriv94
Subject: 7743
Posted: 21 October 2013 at 7:38pm

Domo arigato, Abagon! :)]]> Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:38:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7743&PID=39459&title=minstrel-gigolo-christopher-cross#39459