https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 06:19:55 +0000 Sun, 01 Sep 2013 10:15:44 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=7628 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38983&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38983 Author: Loveland
Subject: 7628
Posted: 01 September 2013 at 10:15am

Yes, "Tell Him", "Go Deep" and "I'll Never Break Your Heart" were canceled at the last minute (each one was reported by Billboard on its Hot 100 column at the time). The
Backstreet Boys CD Single was given away for free with a one of their video released, but for the life of me I can't remember which one.

All of those singles were canceled during the time when a commercial single need to be issued in order to chart. Since none of these songs charted on the Hot 100, canceling their
commercial single wasn't a big deal.   

Conversely, when the Hot 100 changed its rules to include non-commercial singles (A HUGE MISTAKE!), there was no more hiding. When the Mariah/Whitney duet, "When You
Believe" was announced, DreamWorks / Columbia / Arista made it clear that a commercial single will not be released in the U.S. I guess they expected it to be a massive hit.   
Instead it was a massive flop, deservedly so. Their chart position on the Hot 100 was an embarrassment to both artists (it debuted and peaked at No. 51).   A commercial single
was quickly announced, however the damage had been done. The commercial single was released almost 8 weeks later. On its eighth week, the single climbed from No. 64 to No. 25.
The following week, it climbed to its peak position of No. 15. Needless to say, none of this helped its airplay.


Edited by Loveland]]> Sun, 01 Sep 2013 10:15:44 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38983&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38983 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38910&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38910 Author: 80smusicfreak
Subject: 7628
Posted: 23 August 2013 at 10:10am

Brian W. wrote: 80smusicfreak wrote: He then pulled from behind the counter a small stack of brand new, still-sealed copies of "Tell Him" on cassette single that the label had already sent him, but then turned around and told him not to sell. However, he offered to let me have one if I wanted, and I actually held one in my hand just to take a closer look. Very interesting! Do you recall if it was just a one-track cassette, or did it have other tracks on it? (I know the song was released as a vinyl 45 with the same song on both sides.)

It was definitely a two-track cassette, shrink-wrapped in a standard cardboard sleeve - and not a maxi-single, either. (I didn't actually open it, since I chose not to buy it from him.) However, I'm afraid I don't recall what the B-side was - sorry...]]> Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:10:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38910&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38910 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38909&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38909 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 7628
Posted: 23 August 2013 at 9:43am

80smusicfreak wrote: He then pulled from behind the counter a small stack of brand new, still-sealed copies of "Tell Him" on cassette single that the label had already sent him, but then turned around and told him not to sell. However, he offered to let me have one if I wanted, and I actually held one in my hand just to take a closer look.

Very interesting! Do you recall if it was just a one-track cassette, or did it have other tracks on it? (I know the song was released as a vinyl 45 with the same song on both sides.)]]> Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:43:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38909&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38909 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38908&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38908 Author: 80smusicfreak
Subject: 7628
Posted: 23 August 2013 at 8:05am

Although it would go on to miss the pop top 40 (and thus is rightfully not included in Pat's book/database), you can add the 1997 hit duet "Tell Him" by Celine Dion & Barbra Streisand to the list of songs that were slated to be released as commercial singles here in the U.S., actually manufactured, and then withdrawn at the last minute. I lived on Long Island at the time, and would visit my local indie record store in town 1-2 times a week, to pick up the latest issue of Billboard or ice magazines, and the occasional new release on cassette or CD. As a regular customer, I'd become good friends w/ the owner over the previous six years, and we always talked about chart action, new releases, and the occasional visit to his store by Mariah Carey or Billy Joel's mother (never ran into either myself, though)... :-)

Anyway, from 1997-99, the record labels were definitely in turmoil about which songs to release commercially, as this growing list indicates - and if anything, Billboard's decision in the Fall of '98 to allow non-commercial songs onto the "Hot 100" only intensified the dilemma. I still remember walking into his store that day back in '97, when we started discussing commercially unavailable hit songs. He proceeded to tell me a story about how Sony had just that week decided to withdraw the Dion/Streisand single. He then pulled from behind the counter a small stack of brand new, still-sealed copies of "Tell Him" on cassette single that the label had already sent him, but then turned around and told him not to sell. However, he offered to let me have one if I wanted, and I actually held one in my hand just to take a closer look. After a short debate, though, I handed it back to him, as I've never been a huge fan of either singer, even though I knew that particular single would quickly become a rarity - so yes, a few copies of "Tell Him" got out as well...]]> Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:05:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38908&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38908 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38907&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38907 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 7628
Posted: 23 August 2013 at 7:31am

Todd Ireland wrote: I remember something similar occurring in 1998 with the Backstreet Boys' "I'll Never Break Your Heart". During that fall, the song had climbed into the Top 10 on the airplay chart but wasn't eligible to appear on the Billboard Hot 100 at the time due to its unavailability as a commercial single release. However, I was visiting a local Wal-Mart one night and, lo and behold, the bins were stocked with about a dozen or so copies of "Heart" on commercial CD and cassette single. I can't recall offhand the name of the Billboard Hot 100 director at the time, but I e-mailed her wanting to know why the song wasn't on the chart after having just seen commercial single copies at Wal-Mart. She replied that the Jive label had officially cancelled the single release at the last minute and that a few copies may have inadvertently leaked out to retail outlets. Regrettably, I never picked up one of these supposedly rare single copies, though I have no idea how valuable one would be considered today.

Yup. That's actually listed on Discogs, Paul:

http://www.discogs.com/Backstreet-Boys-Ill-Never-Break-Your- Heart/release/1503749]]> Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:31:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38907&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38907 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38906&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38906 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 7628
Posted: 23 August 2013 at 7:27am

Half.com used to list an apparent domestic two-track CD single for Christina Aguilera's "Beautiful," with "Come On Over (Live)" as the second track, if I recall correctly. The UPC and label issue indicated a US release. I had an alert out for it for several years, and finally one came in stock. I didn't buy it, though. Wish I had now.]]> Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:27:17 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38906&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38906 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38905&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38905 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 7628
Posted: 23 August 2013 at 12:20am

I remember something similar occurring in 1998 with the Backstreet Boys' "I'll Never Break Your Heart". During that fall, the song had climbed into the Top 10 on the airplay chart but wasn't eligible to appear on the Billboard Hot 100 at the time due to its unavailability as a commercial single release. However, I was visiting a local Wal-Mart one night and, lo and behold, the bins were stocked with about a dozen or so copies of "Heart" on commercial CD and cassette single.

I can't recall offhand the name of the Billboard Hot 100 director at the time, but I e-mailed her wanting to know why the song wasn't on the chart after having just seen commercial single copies at Wal-Mart. She replied that the Jive label had officially cancelled the single release at the last minute and that a few copies may have inadvertently leaked out to retail outlets. Regrettably, I never picked up one of these supposedly rare single copies, though I have no idea how valuable one would be considered today. (Incidentally, Billboard ended up making its historic rule change months later to start allowing songs to chart on the Hot 100 without a commercial single release. "Heart" was winding down its airplay run by that time though and thus only managed to sneak onto the Top 40 for one week at #35.)

Now, in rare instances where a song like "I'll Never Break Your Heart" and Janet Jackson's "Go Deep" get their commercial single releases cancelled, should the database mention run time info for the few unintentionally leaked copies? If so, I'm of the opinion there should be some sort of notation stating that these copies are rare.

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Fri, 23 Aug 2013 00:20:36 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38905&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38905 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38893&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38893 Author: Glenpwood
Subject: 7628
Posted: 21 August 2013 at 7:50am

The Go Deep Cassingle was a free giveaway with purchase at Disc Jockey/FYE when Virgin cancelled the release after they saw Top 40 wasn't warming up to it enough to guarantee the continuation of Janet's Top 10 Hot 100 streak. Sony did the same thing around the same time with the Mariah Carey/Jermaine Dupri collaboration "Sweetheart" after they ran into the same radio roadblock and used the CD singles they printed up as freebies when you made a presale of the "#1's" Greatest Hits set.

Edited by Glenpwood]]> Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:50:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38893&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38893 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38889&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38889 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 7628
Posted: 20 August 2013 at 8:54am

That website says it was pulled off the shelves shortly after release.

That would explain both how Ed got one and why Billboard didn't chart it.

Looks like you've got a rarity there, Ed!]]> Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:54:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38889&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38889 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38888&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38888 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 7628
Posted: 20 August 2013 at 7:19am

Hey, it's listed on this Janet Jackson website, next release from the bottom. It says it was a pulled release and that Virgin canceled the single.

http://www.cravingjanet.com/discography/godeep.htm]]> Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:19:25 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7628&PID=38888&title=go-deep-janet-jackson#38888