https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 18:46:18 +0000 Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:12:21 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=6636 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=38247&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#38247 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 6636
Posted: 30 June 2013 at 1:12pm

Well guess what? I forgot to note that my copy of "Most of
All" is a DJ Copy, SDJ-12299 on the label, 61509-2A DJ and
61509-2B DJ on the run off. Both sides sound identical,
both sides have a triangle and "83079".

So do ANY stock copies have the horns mixed out? Anyone
with a DJ copy with the horns in it? My DJ copy would seem
to be a second mix, considering the 2A designation and the
later number on the post triangle number. ]]> Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:12:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=38247&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#38247 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=38103&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#38103 Author: jono
Subject: 6636
Posted: 21 June 2013 at 1:57pm

Paul C wrote: Bill Cahill wrote: "Most of All" does not match the mono 45 that I own. On my 45 there are no horns following the 2nd verse line: "Well I've been starin' at the rain and I've been thinking". There ARE horns on the stereo version and there ARE horns on this Scepter collection, so its probably another example of a stereo source summed to mono. My U.S. commercial 45 of "Most Of All" does have the horns following the line Bill mentions, at (0:51). There are two numbers in the run-out groove of my 45: "61509-1E" and at another point there is a small triangle followed by "82924".

My mono 45 matches Paul's, with the horns. Same run-out groove #'s, too, except I can't tell if it states 61509-1E or 61569-1E. Or maybe 615109-1E. I did receive it from a seller from California, however.

Jon O.]]> Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:57:19 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=38103&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#38103 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=38073&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#38073 Author: KentT
Subject: 6636
Posted: 19 June 2013 at 4:18pm

Your 45 of "Most Of All" was pressed in California by
Monarch Records. The Delta triangle following the 82924 job
number is an indication of this. ]]> Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:18:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=38073&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#38073 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=38047&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#38047 Author: Paul C
Subject: 6636
Posted: 18 June 2013 at 1:46pm

Bill Cahill wrote: "Most of All" does not match the mono 45 that I own. On my 45 there are no horns following the 2nd verse line: "Well I've been starin' at the rain and I've been thinking". There ARE horns on the stereo version and there ARE horns on this Scepter collection, so its probably another example of a stereo source summed to mono.

My U.S. commercial 45 of "Most Of All" does have the horns following the line Bill mentions, at (0:51). There are two numbers in the run-out groove of my 45: "61509-1E" and at another point there is a small triangle followed by "82924".




]]> Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:46:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=38047&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#38047 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=35603&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#35603 Author: Indy500
Subject: 6636
Posted: 02 October 2012 at 3:51pm

The Dionne Warwick Scepter 45's "I'll Never Fall In Love Again" and "The Green Grass Starts to Grow" are mono mixes which became apparent when I summed them to mono. There may be more.]]> Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:51:32 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=35603&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#35603 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=35602&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#35602 Author: bitman
Subject: 6636
Posted: 02 October 2012 at 3:06pm

I have the Real Gone set, but not the original 45s to compare to, so just going from the thread here I'd think in the future it would be nice if Real Gone would note if the original 45 masters could not be located what they used in their place.]]> Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:06:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=35602&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#35602 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=35601&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#35601 Author: jono
Subject: 6636
Posted: 02 October 2012 at 10:58am

[QUOTE=Bill Cahill]"No Love At All" sounds like the stereo version summed to mono. Unless there was another mono mix issued that I'm not aware of, the actual mono 45 version of this song is distinguished by "up front" horns on the intro. This collection has the buried horns which leads me to believe it's the stereo version summed.


Agree 100%, Bill. The horns sound buried on the Complete Scepter Singles cd compared to my 45...not only in the intro (where it's especially notable) but also in the choruses. The song really loses its punch and excitement without the upfront horns, in my opinion.

It makes me wonder how many tapes actually existed for the mono single mixes, as it seems like many of these tracks are either stereo mixes folded down or mono LP mixes. I guess the good news is we're discovering more differences between B.J. Thomas' 45's and LP's than previously thought. At least in the mixes (Thanks, Bill!).

It appears to me that certain labels, like Scepter, perhaps, went with dedicated mono mixes more often than other labels. At least up to a certain point. I could probably add Buddah and ABC/Dunhill (and maybe Columbia??), but this is probably another topic. Usually if I see a 45 on one of those labels from the late 60's to early 70's I try to snatch it up.

Jon O.]]> Tue, 02 Oct 2012 10:58:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=35601&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#35601 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=35585&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#35585 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 6636
Posted: 30 September 2012 at 4:26pm

"Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head" also does not match the 45 that I own. There is no trumphet correction at the end of the song on this CD (which is heard on the mono 45), so this another stereo version fold down to mono. ]]> Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:26:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=35585&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#35585 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=35478&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#35478 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 6636
Posted: 23 September 2012 at 7:59pm

The noise reduction on this collection is a bit heavier than I'd like to hear but it's not as bad as the Mark Lindsay collection where "Silver Bird" is very affected by it. Some songs on this collection sound like the original mono 45 mixes and sound pretty good, like "Hooked on a Feeling" and "I Just Can't Help Believing", but "No Love At All" sounds like the stereo version summed to mono. Unless there was another mono mix issued that I'm not aware of, the actual mono 45 version of this song is distinguished by "up front" horns on the intro. This collection has the buried horns which leads me to believe it's the stereo version summed.

"Mighty Clouds of Joy", doesn't match the mono single, or at least the one I have. The mono single features a mix with the piano hotter, and for longer periods than the stereo mix (on the stereo mix during the refrain the piano drops down to a very low level into the mix, barely noticable but still there. On the mono mix you can hear the piano at a higher level all into the "Hallelujah part of the refrain) So on this CD, its either an alternate mono mix featuring lower piano, or its the stereo mix summed.

While "Rock and Roll Lullabye" is the original 4:30 length for a change, the mix on this CD does not match the DJ 45 and stock copies I have. On all versions of this song, as all of the intstrumentation kicks in, this song features what sounds like two drum sticks clicking together through the song. Those drum sticks are mixed in the center on my 4:30 vinyl, but on the Scepters singles CD the drum sticks start in the right channel, move to the center, move to the left, and at some points in the song are hard to find. The rest of the mix is close the the vinyl that I have, although some of the guitars sound slightly lower. As mentioned earlier in this string, I know of three mixes of this song that were issued on vinyl, this sounds like a fourth mix, possibly the closest master that they could find. Scepter tapes for a time belonged to Springboard International, I'm surprised that any tapes survived THAT mess.

"Most of All" does not match the mono 45 that I own. On my 45 there are no horns following the 2nd verse line: "Well I've been starin' at the rain and I've been thinking". There ARE horns on the stereo version and there ARE horns on this Scepter collection, so its probably another example of a stereo source summed to mono.

Edited by Bill Cahill]]> Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:59:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=35478&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#35478 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=35029&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#35029 Author: aaronk
Subject: 6636
Posted: 21 August 2012 at 9:15am

Although I don't have the entire disc, someone forwarded me a copy of "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head" from this CD. Pat notes that there is hum on the fadeout, which is completely true. In addition, an excessive amount of hiss/noise reduction has been applied, and the sound quality is pretty poor in my opinion.]]> Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:15:03 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6636&PID=35029&title=b-j-thomas-complete-scepter-singles#35029