https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 04:56:45 +0000 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:18:31 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=6494 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=32023&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#32023 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 6494
Posted: 22 November 2011 at 12:18am

Tonight a friend of mine purchased a promotional copy of the Plantation records release #28, and let me borrow it as I had been discussing this thread with him earlier in the week. His promo 45 has a listed run time of 2:08 and an actual time of 2:08.5. Deadwax info reads 711-610 113. I didn't notice volume level changes between :10 and :18 but that doesn't mean they're not there, I don't have very good hearing, but I do think the master was likely disc dubbed since the record, to me, doesn't sound as good as the Impel release.]]> Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:18:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=32023&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#32023 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=32022&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#32022 Author: KentT
Subject: 6494
Posted: 21 November 2011 at 7:34pm

Checked my turntable against a strobe disc. Slow. Recalibrated the SP-25's pitch gain. Center position is accurate and stable against the strobe disc. Rechecked the Impel 45 timing, it is indeed 2:09. ]]> Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:34:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=32022&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#32022 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=32016&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#32016 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 6494
Posted: 21 November 2011 at 12:21pm

KentT wrote: I am reasonably sure that the Plantation 45 was mastered from an Impel 45 (which times out to 2:17). I think the Plantation 45 sounds inferior to my ears.

If your Impel 45 times out to 2:17 I'd really love to hear it, as mine times out to 2:09 as I stated earlier.]]> Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:21:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=32016&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#32016 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=32013&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#32013 Author: KentT
Subject: 6494
Posted: 20 November 2011 at 4:16pm

I am reasonably sure that the Plantation 45 was mastered from an Impel 45 (which times out to 2:17). I think the Plantation 45 sounds inferior to my ears. ]]> Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:16:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=32013&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#32013 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=31990&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#31990 Author: Paul C
Subject: 6494
Posted: 18 November 2011 at 9:23am

Since the only CD appearances of this song in the database master it from vinyl, another scenario to consider is that the Plantation 45 may have been mastered from an Impel 45.


Curiously, this was a #1 country record in Canada:

It only reached #42 on the Billboard U.S. country chart.

Edited by Paul C]]> Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:23:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=31990&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#31990 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=31988&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#31988 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 6494
Posted: 17 November 2011 at 10:28pm

Tom, thanks for providing the label scan. The deadwax area is much wider on your Impel single than it is on either the Plantation 45 or the SSS International reissue, which means it is not from the same stamper. Bonus points for being pressed on vinyl!

Also note the different publisher (Little River Pub. Co. vs. Shelby Singleton Music.) As was often the case in the '60s, the bigger label acquiring the master also wanted the publishing rights, which were potentially more lucrative than the recording itself.]]> Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:28:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=31988&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#31988 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=31987&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#31987 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 6494
Posted: 17 November 2011 at 9:57pm

Groovy Grubworm is the B side of the Impel release, the A side being Sad Is The Lonely.


]]> Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:57:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=31987&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#31987 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=31986&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#31986 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 6494
Posted: 17 November 2011 at 9:37pm

TomDiehl1 wrote: ...it makes me wonder if the SSS International pressing might have been pressed using the Impel label's stampers.

Tom, I'm inclined to believe that the levels glitch was due to a problem during the mastering process for the Plantation 45 and that the Singleton organization opted to fix the problem with a re-cut for the SSS International reissue, which had a different B-side ("Golden Guitar Flower") than the Plantation 45's "Moose Trot."

Here's the SSS International reissue's deadwax info: GTS 401 711-610    ZTSB 130866-1A     TIII (the latter signifying a Columbia Terre Haute pressing.)       

No Oakies on the Impel original? The plot thickens... :) ]]> Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:37:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=31986&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#31986 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=31963&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#31963 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 6494
Posted: 16 November 2011 at 4:11pm

I picked up a copy of the Impel label pressing of the song (where it started out as a B side) and it has a label time of 2:08 and an actual runtime of exactly 2:09. There is no change in volume or high fequency levels between :10 and :18 so it makes me wonder if the SSS International pressing might have been pressed using the Impel label's stampers.

The Impel 45 also credits only Harlow Wilcox as the artist (no Oakies).

Edited by TomDiehl1]]> Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:11:04 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=31963&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#31963 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=31820&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#31820 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 6494
Posted: 29 October 2011 at 1:59pm

Hykker wrote: Yah Shure wrote: 2. Between the two 45s, "Groovy Grubworm" was upgraded from "instrumental" to "vocal" status. Woo, hoo! :) This has to be one of the more lyrically profound songs of the year, if not decade. "I'm a grubworm" indeed!

So true! I can just picture the "instrumental vs. vocal" debate raging within the Singleton organization. :) Then again, since the composition was co-written, perhaps those three profound words meant a fatter wallet for one of the two guilty parties. ]]> Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:59:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6494&PID=31820&title=harlow-wilcox-oakies-groovy-grubworm#31820