https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Tue, 05 May 2026 18:18:58 +0000 Wed, 08 Oct 2014 20:15:01 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=577 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=42327&title=m-pop-muzik#42327 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 577
Posted: 08 October 2014 at 8:15pm

The 45 version sounds great on Rhino's Just Can't Get Enough Vol. 2 (1994), with differently EQ'd digital clones on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 39 Pop Nuggets Late '70s (1995) and Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 6 The '70s (1999).

The 45 version on Sire's Just Say Yesterday (1992) has a tape azimuth alignment error between the L and R channels, which screws up the soundstage and sounds terrible when summed to mono. Avoid.

The LP version is pretty hard to find on CD. I only have it on one disc, swaitek's 50-CD The A List Disc 6 (1994), where it's taken from vinyl.

The Ben Liebrand Remix was a UK hit in 1989 - that's what's on Priority's Mega-Hits Dance Classics Vol. 10 (1991).

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Wed, 08 Oct 2014 20:15:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=42327&title=m-pop-muzik#42327 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22292&title=m-pop-muzik#22292 Author: aaronk
Subject: 577
Posted: 19 May 2009 at 10:38am

AndrewChouffi wrote: The Haeco-CSG System pretty much shifted the left/right channels 90 degrees out-of-phase so that when the record was played on a mono system or broadcast the center-channel information wouldn't be 3db louder in respect to the hard left & right information.

Using today's digital editing tools, is there a way to undo that phase shift, or did it involve "re-mixing" the channels after the phase had been tampered with?]]> Tue, 19 May 2009 10:38:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22292&title=m-pop-muzik#22292 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22290&title=m-pop-muzik#22290 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 577
Posted: 19 May 2009 at 9:23am

To Jody:

The "Stereo-Compatible" designation on 'Exhibit A' meant in this case that the tape had been ran through the Haeco-CSG System. CSG stands for "compatible stereo generator' (NOT "compatible stereo groove").

The Haeco-CSG System pretty much shifted the left/right channels 90 degrees out-of-phase so that when the record was played on a mono system or broadcast the center-channel information wouldn't be 3db louder in respect to the hard left & right information.

Problem was, it sounded terrible in stereo with no distinct center-channel.

The old 'stereo--playable on mono equipment' designation really didn't mean much (other than the record company was trying to phase out mono records).

Andy

Edited by AndrewChouffi]]> Tue, 19 May 2009 09:23:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22290&title=m-pop-muzik#22290 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22285&title=m-pop-muzik#22285 Author: Jody Thornton
Subject: 577
Posted: 19 May 2009 at 8:43am

Yah Shure wrote: bwolfe wrote: My PD told me that the version of "Pop Muzik" he remembers playing when it was current had both the long and short on the promo single. Can anyone confirm this one? Exhibit "A" Exhibit "B"

May I ask a technical question here? I noticed that Exhibit A showed a 45-rpm disc that was "stereo-compatible". The opposite of this was when records used to be labeled as stereo - but playable on mono equipment.

Now how can one stereo groove be any less susceptible to damage than another, when both are played with a mono cart? If the mono cart is made to not respond to vertical movements on a stereo groove, would it not damage both of them equally?

Just when anyone has time, I'd love to hear the answer.
]]> Tue, 19 May 2009 08:43:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22285&title=m-pop-muzik#22285 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22281&title=m-pop-muzik#22281 Author: aaronk
Subject: 577
Posted: 18 May 2009 at 8:42pm

Andrew, I just read up on the Haeco-CSG processing that you mention. Given that it was developed by A&M, I think that is exactly what I was hearing on the Carpenters' "Calling Occupants..." promo 45. It sounded like things were out of phase. Totally sucks!]]> Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22281&title=m-pop-muzik#22281 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22279&title=m-pop-muzik#22279 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 577
Posted: 18 May 2009 at 8:35pm

Yes, I owned a copy of the long/short promo at one time and both sides were treated to that godawful Haeco-CSG system -- where the commercial 45 & the commercial 12' were NOT Haeco-CSG processed.

Andy]]> Mon, 18 May 2009 20:35:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22279&title=m-pop-muzik#22279 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22277&title=m-pop-muzik#22277 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 577
Posted: 18 May 2009 at 5:35pm

bwolfe wrote: My PD told me that the version of "Pop Muzik" he remembers playing when it was current had both the long and short on the promo single. Can anyone confirm this one?

Exhibit "A"

Exhibit "B"]]> Mon, 18 May 2009 17:35:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22277&title=m-pop-muzik#22277 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22276&title=m-pop-muzik#22276 Author: bwolfe
Subject: 577
Posted: 18 May 2009 at 1:31pm

My PD told me that the version of "Pop Muzik" he remembers playing when it was current had both the long and short on the promo single.
Can anyone confirm this one?]]> Mon, 18 May 2009 13:31:35 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=22276&title=m-pop-muzik#22276 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=8505&title=m-pop-muzik#8505 Author: budaniel
Subject: 577
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 8:26am

The version with the cold ending was on the original 12" single, which I
had but finally got rid of when i got that version on CD. What's
disappointing about that extended version is that as a result of the hiccup
on that line, it actually cuts out some unique vocal ad libs on the fade out
that don't appear anywhere else in the song.

Does anyone have the original M vinyl LP who can clarify which version is
actually the LP version? I always assumed the 45 version WAS the LP
version and that the long version was the extended mix.]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:26:34 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=8505&title=m-pop-muzik#8505 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=8498&title=m-pop-muzik#8498 Author: aaronk
Subject: 577
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 1:06am

Thanks, Jim. You're probably right that we played a "neither" version. It's also possible that my memory has failed me on this one (especially since it was only played very occasionally).

When our station switched from CD to hard drive, sometime around 1997, we purchased the Maestro system, which came pre-loaded with music. Unless it was a very different version from what we had been playing, we just used what they gave us. I know for certain that not all of the songs were the hit single versions. For example, that "neither" version of "Tainted Love" found on Pure 80s was the one that came pre-loaded.]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:06:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577&PID=8498&title=m-pop-muzik#8498