https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sun, 26 Apr 2026 07:54:36 +0000 Thu, 15 May 2014 12:24:15 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4663 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41471&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41471 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4663
Posted: 15 May 2014 at 12:24pm

aaronk wrote: Are you sure he uses only "45/LP mix" in cases where the reverb different? If that were true, then shouldn't the designator for this song be "LP mix"?

To answer your first question, no, I'm not 100% certain but that's the
conclusion I've drawn from previous cases. If I'm wrong, perhaps Pat
can set the record straight once and for all. Until then, given my current
understanding of the policy in place, I personally think "45 mix" and "LP
mix" would be the more appropriate tags in this particular instance.

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Thu, 15 May 2014 12:24:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41471&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41471 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41469&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41469 Author: aaronk
Subject: 4663
Posted: 15 May 2014 at 11:34am

Are you sure he uses only "45/LP mix" in cases where the reverb is
different? If that were true, then shouldn't the designator for this song
be "LP mix"?

That's the problem, Todd. There doesn't seem to be consistency from
song to song with regards to how it's labeled in the database. It's the
age old debate that we've had about "length" vs "version" on songs that
are simply early fades. Sometimes it's "length" and sometimes it's
"version," and it causes us to do further investigation to find out why.

Edited by aaronk]]> Thu, 15 May 2014 11:34:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41469&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41469 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41467&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41467 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4663
Posted: 15 May 2014 at 11:03am

While I agree that the database comments for "Ebb Tide" as currently
written may be a bit confusing for the reason Aaron stated, I also think
it's probably too late in the game to start switching to using 45/LP
"version" designations to describe a reverb difference given that Pat
has been tagging these cases with 45/LP "mix" comments up to this
point. Even though opinions differ here on this particular policy, I think
it's more important to remain consistent across the board with
whatever longstanding policies have been in place.]]> Thu, 15 May 2014 11:03:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41467&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41467 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41463&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41463 Author: aaronk
Subject: 4663
Posted: 15 May 2014 at 9:24am

I love the database and all of the work that has been put into it by Pat and all of the forum contributors. But there are inconsistencies, like this one, which leave the reader to draw his own conclusions. It is confusing to see the comment "with 45 version reverb" for mono copies, while stereo copies say "LP version." I do understand Pat's reasoning for wanting to explain the difference, but wouldn't it be better to include that information in the song notes, and just leave the mono copies labeled as "45 version"?]]> Thu, 15 May 2014 09:24:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41463&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41463 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41462&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41462 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4663
Posted: 15 May 2014 at 8:58am

Fair enough, Pat. Although haven't you more typically used "45 mix"
and "LP mix" comments in other cases like this where the only
difference is reverb?

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Thu, 15 May 2014 08:58:56 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41462&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41462 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41457&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41457 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 4663
Posted: 15 May 2014 at 7:04am

I am not aware of any other difference between the 45 and LP version of Ebb Tide other than the reverb. The reason I entered the comment as "with 45 version reverb" is to tip off anyone interested in knowing what the 45 vs LP difference is since it is easily overlooked. Adding a comment regarding LP version reverb would be duplicitous.]]> Thu, 15 May 2014 07:04:16 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41457&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41457 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41441&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41441 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4663
Posted: 14 May 2014 at 6:02pm

Pat:

In the database, all stereo hit recording appearances of The Righteous Brothers' "Ebb Tide" are shown with an "LP version" comment, while all mono entries have a "with 45 version reverb" description. Is reverb the only difference between the two mixes (other than the obvious left/right channel panning)? If so, then perhaps the "LP version" comment should be modified to read "with LP version reverb"? Or is there something else regarding the mono CD appearances specifically preventing them from otherwise receiving a full-fledged "45 version" designation?

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Wed, 14 May 2014 18:02:48 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=41441&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#41441 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=21326&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#21326 Author: jimct
Subject: 4663
Posted: 27 February 2009 at 8:40pm

My commercial 45, confirmed as Philles 130, has a listed time of (2:46), but an actual time of (2:49).]]> Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:40:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4663&PID=21326&title=righteous-brothersebb-tide#21326