https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 01 May 2026 13:37:03 +0000 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:00:40 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4263 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19143&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19143 Author: MCT1
Subject: 4263
Posted: 05 October 2008 at 8:00pm

I have a U.S. stock copy of "Pilot Of The Airwaves". Aside from the omission of the "PROMOTION/NOT FOR SALE" disclaimer, the label is identical to the promo copy label scan Yah Shure posted, including the "Edit" notation after the title, and the somewhat confusing "Edited Version..." album credit.   

Edited by MCT1]]> Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:00:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19143&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19143 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19108&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19108 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4263
Posted: 04 October 2008 at 9:56pm

torcan wrote: I have a Canadian 45 of Charlie Dore's "Pilot of the Airwaves" from 1980 that states "edited version" next to the title, and also lists Time: 3:15 (edit) I've never seen a US 45 of this title, but that seems to be an early one to actually state it was edited.

Here's the US promo 45. The "edited version" and "(edit)" notations are the same, although positioned differently.

The wording of the notation "Edited version from the Island album ILPS 9559 WHERE TO NOW" is not crystal clear. One could incorrectly interpret that to mean that the edited version is also found on the album, rather than the correct interpretation that the 45 version is an edit of the version found on the album.



Edited by Yah Shure]]> Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:56:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19108&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19108 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19100&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19100 Author: torcan
Subject: 4263
Posted: 04 October 2008 at 6:04pm

Todd Ireland wrote: Thanks very much for the responses everyone. It looks like this practice of listing version descriptions on 45 record labels began to take hold in the late '80s, though we've uncovered a couple of earlier examples.

I have a Canadian 45 of Charlie Dore's "Pilot of the Airwaves" from 1980 that states "edited version" next to the title, and also lists Time: 3:15 (edit)

I've never seen a US 45 of this title, but that seems to be an early one to actually state it was edited.]]> Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:04:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19100&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19100 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19072&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19072 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4263
Posted: 04 October 2008 at 9:38am

EdisonLite wrote: My feeling on all this is that it would be great to have this info in the database but that Pat shouldn't have to re-look at every 45 he owns to do it -- so if people here supply him with the info, that will save him A LOT of time and that he should incorporate it.

We certainly wouldn't ask Pat to do this on his own. He already has a dedicated volunteer crack staff here who's willing to do the research for him. :-)

EdisonLite wrote: As far as which info to include or not, I'd definitely include comments like "special mix", "American version", "Edited", but I'd leave the notation out of the database when: (1) it's wrong (e.g. when it says "edited" but it's really just faded) (2) it's inconsistent with our notation (e.g. when the 45 says "LP version". "Version" implies there's different mixes or edits, and since this example would not be the case here, it just adds confusion, and I don't think it merits putting the info in the database.)

I agree with you on both counts, Gordon, though in cases like the one you stated where the record label says "Edit" and is really just an early fade, it could always be explicitly clarified as such in the database.

Pat hasn't weighed in on this discussion yet, but judging by his database comments to date it looks like he's been loosely following the guidelines Gordon has outlined. I've recently noted a couple of late '80s 45s that states "LP version" and "Edit" on the record label and Pat didn't include this info in the database. That's perfectly fine if this is his policy, but I'll still mention these details on the message board for any readers who are interested.]]> Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:38:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19072&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19072 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19055&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19055 Author: edtop40
Subject: 4263
Posted: 03 October 2008 at 11:45pm

agreed, brian]]> Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:45:16 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19055&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19055 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19049&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19049 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 4263
Posted: 03 October 2008 at 11:06pm

edtop40 wrote: maybe....if pat let certain members access the site to update info, that will take the burden off pat to keep the site updated......

I have thought of that before. But it would have to be people he completely trusts. It's still his database. I can understand if he was concerned about people who can change the database doing things he didn't approve of. ]]> Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:06:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19049&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19049 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19047&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19047 Author: edtop40
Subject: 4263
Posted: 03 October 2008 at 10:33pm

maybe....if pat let certain members access the site to update info, that will take the burden off pat to keep the site updated......]]> Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:33:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19047&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19047 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19039&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19039 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 4263
Posted: 03 October 2008 at 8:33am

My feeling on all this is that it would be great to have this info in the database but that Pat shouldn't have to re-look at every 45 he owns to do it -- so if people here supply him with the info, that will save him A LOT of time and that he should incorporate it. As far as which info to include or not, I'd definitely include comments like "special mix", "American version", "Edited", but I'd leave the notation out of the database when:

(1) it's wrong (e.g. when it says "edited" but it's really just faded)
(2) it's inconsistent with our notation (e.g. when the 45 says "LP version". "Version" implies there's different mixes or edits, and since this example would not be the case here, it just adds confusion, and I don't think it merits putting the info in the database.)]]> Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:33:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19039&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19039 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19038&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19038 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 4263
Posted: 03 October 2008 at 7:46am

Wasn't the first version-designated Warner Communications 45 James Taylor's June 1976 AC entry "Shower The People (Edited)"?

For a minute when I went to buy the 45 after hearing it just once I thought that was the official title of the song...

I remember thinking that was cool because I had been making homemade edits since I was ten on my Teac.

The only earlier editing designation I remember was on the November '74 issue of Skynyrd's "Free Bird" with the LABEL CREDIT 'Edited By: Phil Stanley'.

Anyone have any other examples prior to "Shower The People"?

Andy ]]> Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:46:12 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19038&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19038 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19033&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19033 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4263
Posted: 03 October 2008 at 7:13am

The good news is, I don't think there are all that many commercial 45 titles prior to 1988 that contain version description info printed on the 45 label, so it really shouldn't result in much extra work for Pat. Abagon informed me he was going to review his stock 45s from previous years and report back with a list of singles containing specific version descriptions. Then Pat can make the final determination as to whether he wants to include this info in the database.]]> Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:13:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4263&PID=19033&title=version-descriptions-on-retail-singles#19033