https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 09:37:05 +0000 Mon, 21 Jul 2025 10:53:43 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2737 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=67067&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#67067 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 2737
Posted: 21 July 2025 at 10:53am

It does indeed have the same issue as the Rhino disc, slowing down abruptly by about 0.4% starting around 2:07 compared to the 45.

But I don't know if after 2:07, the Rhino disc plays too slow or the 45 plays too fast.

Realistically, a speed difference of 0.4% is too small to hear. Even with a drum machine, your ear wouldn't notice a change of 0.4%.

In principle, one should be able to tell whether the instruments go out of tune at 2:07 in one of the two versions, but that's also too small for me to hear. (A half-step is a change in pitch of about 6%.)]]> Mon, 21 Jul 2025 10:53:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=67067&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#67067 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=67066&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#67066 Author: LunarLaugh
Subject: 2737
Posted: 21 July 2025 at 10:44am

The Ace disc doesn't have the same tape drag as the Rhino, though. Or does it?]]> Mon, 21 Jul 2025 10:44:29 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=67066&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#67066 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=67065&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#67065 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 2737
Posted: 20 July 2025 at 5:11pm

Ace UK Chartbusters USA Vol. 2 (2002) has mastering that sounds closest to Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 31 Totally Fantastic '60s (1996), which in turn sounds a lot like Rhino's Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1968 (1988) but with its left/right channels swapped. All three of these clearly use the same source tape but all three have slightly different EQ settings from one another. I prefer the Rhino EQ; to my ears, the other two have EQ settings that push the vocals a little farther back in the mix.

Just my two cents. If the Ace disc works for you, then go with it!]]> Sun, 20 Jul 2025 17:11:54 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=67065&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#67065 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=67064&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#67064 Author: LunarLaugh
Subject: 2737
Posted: 20 July 2025 at 1:38pm

Ron, have you heard "Judy In Disguise" on ACE's Chartbusters USA Vol. 2? The mastering is a little loud but this is usually my go-to source for this tune. ]]> Sun, 20 Jul 2025 13:38:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=67064&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#67064 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=66951&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#66951 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 2737
Posted: 12 June 2025 at 8:57pm

Following up: If you speed up the Rhino version by 1.0%, it stays in synch with the Time-Life version until about 2:07-ish. After that, you'll need to speed the Rhino up by about 1.4% or 1.5%, but there's still a little tape drag on the Rhino. Either tape drag, or it's pieced together from different pieces than the Time-Life. I spent hours on this three years ago and gave up.

As for real differences between the Rhino and Time-Life, the Time-Life has vocals much farther in front, but I can't tell if it's intentionally mixed that way or if it's just a pretty radical EQ difference. I now agree that the "yeah yeah" at 1:18 is there on both.

So... all I've found is that:

(1) The Rhino and Time-Life have stereo/mono differences after about 2:07,
(2) The Time-Life stays in synch perfectly with the 45 throughout, and
(3) The Rhino slows down abruptly by about 0.4% starting around 2:07 compared to the 45.

And now I give up again.]]> Thu, 12 Jun 2025 20:57:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=66951&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#66951 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=66949&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#66949 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 2737
Posted: 12 June 2025 at 8:28pm

Thanks to Dave H, I got to hear the lone CD with the mono version, Audiofidelity's Super Oldies Of The 60's Volume 7 (1984). It's quite obviously from vinyl. It's mono, but the left and right channels are out of synch by about 2 samples. Sonically, it's a mess, but it seems to correspond to what I heard on the YouTube dub from three years ago.

If you speed up the Audiofidelity version by 0.54%, you can get it to synch exactly with the version on Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 19 1968 Shakin' All Over (1989).

If you slow down the Audiofidelity version by 0.58%, you can get the beginning and end of the song to synch up with the version on Rhino's Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1968 (both 1988 and 1993 releases). If you do that, then about halfway through the song, the Rhino is ahead of the Audiofidelity by about half a beat due to tape drag somewhere.

I'm going to spend a little time poking around the ending of the song (second "come to/with me tonight" vocals (2:08-2:18) onward) to see if the Time-Life and Rhino versions use the same edit pieces. I post this now, because I assume that I'll eventually give up without discovering anything new.]]> Thu, 12 Jun 2025 20:28:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=66949&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#66949 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=60695&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#60695 Author: sriv94
Subject: 2737
Posted: 15 April 2022 at 9:30am

crapfromthepast wrote: The other permutation (which matches a YouTube clip that is likely from the vinyl LP) is on Rhino's Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1968 (both 1988 and 1993 versions). There's no "yeah yeah" at 1:18.

Actually I do hear a faint "yeah" at (1:18) on the Billboard and Bartley discs.

Is this enough to warrant a 45/LP designation in the database?

Edited by sriv94]]> Fri, 15 Apr 2022 09:30:53 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=60695&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#60695 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=60607&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#60607 Author: LunarLaugh
Subject: 2737
Posted: 31 March 2022 at 1:05pm

I would mention that the source on the Dick Bartley On The
Radio disc seems to have been mastered with some type of
de-noising. Not exactly the same as noise reduction, but
you can kind of hear it pumping in and out on the off-beat. ]]> Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:05:29 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=60607&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#60607 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=60606&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#60606 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 2737
Posted: 31 March 2022 at 12:22pm

This is interesting.

I found two different permutations of stereo/mono on CD, and I think that they may correspond to the 45 (being a fold-down of one permutation) and LP (being the other permutation).

Here's a YouTube dub of the 45 (it's in mono) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuEO1dt_FAI

The mastering that corresponds to the 45 (the only difference is that it's not entirely in mono) appeared first on Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 19 1968 Shakin' All Over (1989). The first "come to me tonight" vocals (1:07-1:17) are in wide stereo, with the high-pitched vocal being only in the left channel and the low-pitched vocal only in the right. There's a "yeah yeah" in the right channel at 1:18. The string portion (1:48-2:06) is in very nice stereo. The second "come to/with me tonight" vocals (2:07-2:17) are in wide stereo throughout. The ending (2:46 onward) is in mono. The same analog transfer is used on:

• Warner Special Products' 2-CD Sessions Presents 60's Frat Rock (1990)
• Warner Special Products' 2-CD 40 Party Classics (1996)

If I ever need to return to this again, I pitched the Classic Rock disc down by 0.13% to match the YouTube dub of the 45. They stay perfectly in synch with this one speed adjustment.

The mastering on Good Music's 2-CD Rare Gold (1990) sorta matches the Time-Life disc, but sounds like it uses a higher-generation source tape. Sounds pretty cruddy here; avoid.

Here's a YouTube dub what I believe to be the LP (you don't see the record on the turntable, but it's clearly from a record) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up7dcAilcvY

This version appears on Rhino's Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1968 (1988 with a digitally identical clone on a RE-1 reissue from 1993). Part of the opening drumbeat is cut off in the right channel, for both the vinyl and CD versions. On the CD, there's a little static in the left channel from 0:04 to 0:06; there's no way to tell if that's on the record. The first "come to me tonight" vocals (1:07-1:17) are in wide stereo, with the low-pitched vocal being only in the left channel and the high-pitched vocal only in the right (left/right channels swapped from Classic Rock). The string portion (1:49-2:06) is in very nice stereo. The second "come to/with me tonight" vocals (2:08-2:18) have their first line in wide stereo and are mono thereafter. The ending (2:48 onward) is in stereo. There's a small amount of tape drag on the Rhino disc, but pitching it up by 2.5% will get you close to the YouTube clip. It doesn't stay in synch with the 45 YouTube clip, which makes me think it was edited from different source material pieces.

The first appearance of the (probable) LP version on CD was on Warner Special Products' 2-CD Fun Rock (1986). Here, it sounds spectacularly awful, using a lifeless-sounding source tape, and running significantly faster than the Rhino disc. Plus, it's in narrowed stereo, so that the low/high pitched "come to me tonight" vocals are mixed closer to the center. This CD is one of the first Warner Special Products compilations, well before they started using decent-sounding copies of the source material from the individual labels. Avoid.

The mastering on Rhino's Dick Bartley On The Radio Vol. 1 (1997) uses a different analog transfer than the Billboard disc, but is pretty close sonically. The left/right channels are swapped (so that it now matches Classic Rock), there's no static from 0:04 to 0:06, and the volume is louder so there's a small amount of clipping on some of the loud portions.

Summing up:

(1) There seem to be only two permutations of mono/stereo/etc on CD.
(2) One permutation (which is likely a stereo version of the 45) is on Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 19 1968 Shakin' All Over (1989). There's a "yeah yeah" in the right channel at 1:18. This version stays in synch with the 45, with just one speed correction that affects the whole track.
(3) The other permutation (which matches a YouTube clip that is likely from the vinyl LP) is on Rhino's Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1968 (both 1988 and 1993 versions). There's no "yeah yeah" at 1:18.

Other opinions are welcome!

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Thu, 31 Mar 2022 12:22:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=60606&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#60606 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=60605&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#60605 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 2737
Posted: 31 March 2022 at 3:53am

VWestlife wrote: But it definitely sounds like it was pieced together from multiple recordings, especially at 2:10 when the background vocals abruptly switch from stereo to mono.

I find it odd how some releases have the
second set of "come with me tonight" vocals
in mono and others have it in stereo, while
other releases still, have the ending in
mono while others are in stereo. I think it
was Mark who had put together a "full"
stereo version once. It sounded fine to me
and I'd love to see that one get released. ]]> Thu, 31 Mar 2022 03:53:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2737&PID=60605&title=john-fred-judy-in-disguise#60605