https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 22 Apr 2026 09:23:21 +0000 Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:15:45 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1432 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=35042&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#35042 Author: MMathews
Subject: 1432
Posted: 22 August 2012 at 12:15am

Hi all,

being from Billy's home turf of long island - i've heard
quite a few interviews over the years. As i recall, the
above theories about the 3:05 line are correct.
He was extremely bitter about Piano Man being edited for
the 45.
He obviously just grabbed the "3:05" time to sound good
in the lyric, he made his point.

Hence, that edit/mix will never see a domestic cd
release, and not likely either for the 45 version of The
Entertainer.
Seems like a non-issue though from his perspective, since
the air-play of both songs through all these years has
been on AOR formats that have no interest in anything
other than the albums anyway!


]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:15:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=35042&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#35042 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=35041&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#35041 Author: aaronk
Subject: 1432
Posted: 21 August 2012 at 9:11pm

I just got around to A/B-ing the 45 with the Greatest Hits version, and the instrumentation is quite different at 0:41. On the 45, the percussion is much busier, and there's a different lead guitar. Furthermore, some of the vocals have been re-cut. Bottom line: there's no way to create the 45 from the LP.]]> Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:11:32 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=35041&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#35041 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=10216&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#10216 Author: sriv94
Subject: 1432
Posted: 10 June 2007 at 7:32pm

Roscoe (or anyone), were you able to figure out whether the GH1&2 version matches up with any other CD copies (while you can edit that version to match the 45 edit, the instrumentation on that version doesn't match the 45)?]]> Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:32:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=10216&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#10216 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=10214&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#10214 Author: JMD1961
Subject: 1432
Posted: 10 June 2007 at 6:56pm

No problem. As I said, I was working from memory, and I keep finding that that isn't what it used to be. (Not that it was ever that great... ^_^ )]]> Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:56:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=10214&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#10214 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=10205&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#10205 Author: jimct
Subject: 1432
Posted: 10 June 2007 at 9:30am

James, the mono short version of my "Piano Man" DJ 45 has both a listed and actual time of (3:16). And the "Piano Man" side of my reprint 45, combined with "The Entertainer", states a listed time of (4:30). I like your theory, sir, but unfortunately I cannot confirm any of your details. ]]> Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:30:25 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=10205&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#10205 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=10203&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#10203 Author: JMD1961
Subject: 1432
Posted: 10 June 2007 at 8:49am

I'm operating strictly from memory here, but I used to have a reissue 45 of The Entertainer that was backed with Piano Man. Now, if memory serves, both sides were listed at being 3:05.

Now, according to the database (and my latest Whitburn Annual) Piano Man actually ran 4:30, but I was wondering if at some point it was listed as 3:05. (I never timed the single I had because, frankly, it wasn't something that occured to me way back then.)

My point is, if the original single did list a time of 3:05, that might explain that particular passage in the lyrics of The Entertainer. He was referring to the handling of Piano Man. Maybe... ^_^]]> Sun, 10 Jun 2007 08:49:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=10203&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#10203 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=10190&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#10190 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 1432
Posted: 07 June 2007 at 8:20pm

Well, "eleven" doesn't rhyme with much beside "heaven" and "seven", so I guess I see why Billy wrote "they cut it down to 3:05". (And of course, at the time he wrote this song, he had no idea how much they'd cut it down to ... or if they even would!)]]> Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:20:13 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=10190&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#10190 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=10189&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#10189 Author: jimct
Subject: 1432
Posted: 07 June 2007 at 7:42pm

I have specifics on this commercial 45's timing, which I had also read was shown on the 45 as being (3:05) due to the song's lyric, "so they cut it down to 3:05." The listed time is (3:05), but the actual time is (3:11). ]]> Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:42:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=10189&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#10189 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=7551&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#7551 Author: Roscoe
Subject: 1432
Posted: 13 October 2006 at 10:02pm

sriv94 wrote: The edit does work, but it's still not the 45 version. Chendagam's dub of the 45 includes what sounds like steel guitars underneath the verse that leads into the edit. The LP version as I have it (from GH1&2) doesn't have any additional guitar aside from the acoustic guitar strummed throughout. So it seems there are mix and/or instrumentation issues as well and the 45 can't be replicated from the LP (unless the GH1&2 version was an underdub).

You're right; I never noticed the steel guitar before. I was using the GH1&2 version as well. I'll have to dig out one of my other Billy Joel CDs and see if the mix is the same as GH1&2.]]> Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:02:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=7551&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#7551 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=7549&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#7549 Author: sriv94
Subject: 1432
Posted: 13 October 2006 at 7:21pm

The edit does work, but it's still not the 45 version. Chendagam's dub of the 45 includes what sounds like steel guitars underneath the verse that leads into the edit. The LP version as I have it (from GH1&2) doesn't have any additional guitar aside from the acoustic guitar strummed throughout. So it seems there are mix and/or instrumentation issues as well and the 45 can't be replicated from the LP (unless the GH1&2 version was an underdub).]]> Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:21:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1432&PID=7549&title=billy-joel-the-entertainer#7549