https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sun, 03 May 2026 13:35:46 +0000 Sun, 04 Aug 2019 03:43:29 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1071 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=52284&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#52284 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 1071
Posted: 04 August 2019 at 3:43am

Nice review Mark! Probably the same thing happened with "In Dreams", Roy wasn't quite "on time" for the "It's Too Bad" line on the take that they preferred,
so they spliced in that part from another take, but didn't get around to it for the stereo. ]]> Sun, 04 Aug 2019 03:43:29 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=52284&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#52284 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=52281&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#52281 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 1071
Posted: 31 July 2019 at 9:17am

Nice work, Mark!

Being a little off in the edit points makes much more sense than specifically rerecording a word or a line.

There are plenty of other examples of multiple takes being edited together to get the final version of the song: "She Loves You", "Soul Man", "Strawberry Fields Forever", and those are just examples that start with "S"!]]> Wed, 31 Jul 2019 09:17:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=52281&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#52281 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=52280&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#52280 Author: MMathews
Subject: 1071
Posted: 30 July 2019 at 11:09pm

I can add some info to all this. I was real curious about
this one-word difference between the stereo and mono,
which to me makes no sense. I did not believe they went
out of their way to change a word - in either version.

So I sync'd the 2 versions together. It's amazing what
you can learn by putting them in exact sync. I now
believe this was a simple accident of splicing in the
wrong place.

First, we need to clear up this "last :02 are stereo"
thing that appears in the database on many (M) entries.
This is not correct. What Aaron said above is correct.
Some joker at Sony took the mono 45 master and added
stereo reverb throughout the whole thing, and then at the
very end turned the reverb up loud for the big finish. So
there is NO stereo at the end, just louder (E). For
accuracy, all these entries should be changed to (E) and
the last comment removed.

Now, after syncing the real mono mix with the stereo mix
(folded to mono) I found some splice points. The first
splice is at 1:06 just before the words "pretty woman
stop awhile"....but the takes remain the same they just
jump out of sync at that splice point. That tells me
they spliced this song together from more than one take
and the first switch to another take happens at 1:06 in
both the mono and stereo.

The next splice (in one of the versions) is at 1:42 just
before the line "come with [to] me baby" and right after
it at 1:46 where the 2 versions once again begin to
match.

This tells me the reason the line is different between
the 2 versions is that when they were editing the takes
together for the stereo, the engineer made a simple error
and cut either too early or too late to switch to the
other take. This was not intentional and no, no special
words were overdubbed.

Lastly, there is one more splice! At 2:53 the finishing
words "pretty woman!" do not match, so that finish in the
mono was yet another splice to another take. They just
didn't bother to change it in the stereo.

I applaud the engineers/producer for attempting to do the
same editing job to present the stereo to be the same
"hit" takes as the mono ... they just missed a couple of
minor details - hence the minor differences in the two
versions.

There ya have it.

MM    



]]> Tue, 30 Jul 2019 23:09:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=52280&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#52280 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=40816&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#40816 Author: aaronk
Subject: 1071
Posted: 25 March 2014 at 8:27pm

Ron, yes it finally debuted on CD a couple years ago on the "Monument Singles" disc, which is where my copy comes from. The previous CDs with the 45 lyrics contained the mono version but with a large amount of stereo reverb added.]]> Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:27:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=40816&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#40816 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=40815&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#40815 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 1071
Posted: 25 March 2014 at 8:03pm

Neat! I don't think I've ever heard the "come to
me" lyric before.

I have this song on ten compilations. Nine of them are
in stereo and have the "come with me" lyric.

The tenth is a 3-CD set on Realm called Greatest Hits
Of The '60s Vol. 1 (1995). It has the "come to me"
lyric at 1:41. Here, the song is in mono, except for the
last two seconds of reverb being in stereo. The stereo
kicks in abruptly, after the last note is hit, and it's
just reverb. It also sounds like it's a fold-down of the
stereo mix, reverb and all. A mess, actually.

I have a file from Aaron labeled as "mono single
version", and it sounds far better than this fold-
down mono version. Aaron's "mono single version" is
crisp, with very well-defined instruments, and no
overpowering reverb throughout. I assume that Aaron's
file is from the true 45, and that the true 45 version
hasn't been released on CD?]]> Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:03:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=40815&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#40815 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=40807&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#40807 Author: MMathews
Subject: 1071
Posted: 25 March 2014 at 12:23pm

Thanks for the refresher. Most intriguing difference.
MM]]> Tue, 25 Mar 2014 12:23:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=40807&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#40807 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=40801&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#40801 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 1071
Posted: 24 March 2014 at 4:55pm

Mark, it's a one-word difference that comes at the 1:41 mark (on the 45, at least) during the last line of the bridge:

'Cause I need you, I'll treat you right
Come to me baby, be mine tonight.

It's "come with me baby..." on the LP version.]]> Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:55:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=40801&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#40801 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=40800&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#40800 Author: MMathews
Subject: 1071
Posted: 24 March 2014 at 4:31pm

I read about the one line being different years ago - can anyone refresh my memory? What is the line that different on the mono 45, and where does it occur?

And is that the only difference?

Thanks]]> Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:31:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=40800&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#40800 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=20424&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#20424 Author: aaronk
Subject: 1071
Posted: 07 January 2009 at 6:00pm

Todd Ireland wrote: Just curious... Does anyone have the seven-disc Roy Orbison Orbison import box set released on the Bear Family label? If any collection would contain the correct mono single mix of "Oh Pretty Woman", I imagine this one would! Bear Family has a stellar reputation for hunting down the correct versions of songs they issue on CD.

I just verified with a friend of mine who has this set that it does contain the mono mix of "Oh Pretty Woman." That's good news if you also need the rest of the songs on the 7-disc set.]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:00:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=20424&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#20424 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=13703&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#13703 Author: aaronk
Subject: 1071
Posted: 21 December 2007 at 12:37am

Brining an old topic back up, because I was finally able to hear with my own ears exactly what all three versions sound like.

Tom, I think you might have answered your own question of why the end switches to stereo. Whomever engineered this version added reverb to it, and the ending reverb that they added is in stereo. In fact, I'm guessing all of the reverb is in stereo, which is why it appears to sound like rechanneled stereo.

(I have evidence to back up my belief: When you invert one of the channels and sum them both to mono, you're left with only a whole bunch of reverb. When you do this to a true mono source, the channels summed together will cancel each other out and you won't hear anything at all.)

I agree that the stereo versions on CD folded down sound much more like the mono 45 (except for the alternate lyric). When you compare the actual 45 with the rechanneled stereo (aka "mono with stereo ending"), the latter sounds like Roy's vocals are being sung in a tunnel. And to reiterate, the ending reverb on the rechanneled version does not match the stereo LP or the mono 45 reverb; however, the stereo LP and mono 45 have the same reverb on the ending.

Edited by aaronk]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:37:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1071&PID=13703&title=roy-orbison-oh-pretty-woman#13703