https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Tue, 05 May 2026 18:19:19 +0000 Sun, 09 Oct 2016 19:53:01 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1065 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=46362&title=van-morrison-domino#46362 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 1065
Posted: 09 October 2016 at 7:53pm

I'm guessing the mono Canadian pressing of the 45 I have
is a fold down of the stereo 45 version? Because,
there's definitely added reverb and I hear the flange
effect too.

Could be the mono promo mix.

The added reverb is definitely what made the song a hit
on the radio. The LP version sounds so lifeless.]]> Sun, 09 Oct 2016 19:53:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=46362&title=van-morrison-domino#46362 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=46359&title=van-morrison-domino#46359 Author: MMathews
Subject: 1065
Posted: 09 October 2016 at 5:36pm

OK

I've compared the LP version, the stock 45 and the mono
promo 45 versions. Stock and promo 45's run (3:01).
Thanks to Jim for assistance with this.

To address the different times of the CD's with the LP
version, it's caused by speed differences. Seems the
correct speed LP runs (3:06). The one of the "Best Of" CD
that runs (3:03) is pitched too fast.

The 45 version runs slower than the LP version and as
indicated above is a complete remix. There is extra
reverb on most of the instruments and his lead vocal. The
45 mix features one clearly defined drum track. But the
LP mix has 2 drum tracks and starting on the 2nd verse,
the 2 are very noticeably out-of-sync (like the 2nd
drummer just stopped trying to be accurate and started
hitting them any ol' way) ... this makes a distracting
"clumping" effect. I heard the song this way all my life
and it never bothered me until I now heard the single.
I'm glad they thought better of that when mixing the 45.

Also as noted earlier, the 45 is edited in the final
chorus.

BTW, when I synchronized the 45 and LP mixes, I noticed
one other detail; both 45 AND LP mixes contain a splice
just prior to the above mentioned edit point. At 2:38 in
the LP (2:39 of the 45) on the beat that follows "rhythm
and blues music" you hear the tail end of a word that got
cut off. The only reason I noticed at all is that the
splice point in both versions don't line up which makes
the cut obvious. In fact, in the LP version it's a much
sloppier edit. It never stood out before because the
"clumping" mess of drum beats.

RE: Mono Promo 45: this was very interesting. The mono
mix is indeed an exact fold-down of the stereo 45 mix.
What made it interesting is the engineer(s)used a slight
phase effect on the horns in the stereo 45 mix that you
can't hear in stereo, BUT in mono the horns have a flange
effect that really stands out. This the ONLY element of
the mix that flanges in mono..all other elements are in-
phase and sound normal. This had to be intentional
because it would take some effort to create a variable
flange effect that way. Had it been a simply phase error
on the horn track they would simply cancel to a lower
volume in the mono. Comparing the mono promo dub to my
own fold-down, the effect is identical.
So I can only assume they wanted the song to sound that
way on AM radio. Yet anyone who purchased the single and
played it on a stereo set would never hear this effect.

So there you have it ..
-45 = slowest pitch, total remix (far superior to my
ears).....
-LP version timing differences in the DB caused by speed.
-Mono mix same as stereo 45 but with phased/flanged
horns.

MM
        ]]> Sun, 09 Oct 2016 17:36:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=46359&title=van-morrison-domino#46359 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=39887&title=van-morrison-domino#39887 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 1065
Posted: 11 December 2013 at 11:35pm

Lo and behold, I have a stock CANADIAN pressing! Olive
green Warner Brothers label. Deadwax is "WB-7434A - 2"]]> Wed, 11 Dec 2013 23:35:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=39887&title=van-morrison-domino#39887 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=39884&title=van-morrison-domino#39884 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 1065
Posted: 11 December 2013 at 7:14pm

eriejwg wrote: My 45 is mono

Mono? Very interesting, John; I've never been previously aware of any stock Warner Brothers 7434 "Domino" being in mono before. Is yours on the olive green Warner Brothers label?

My Columbia Terre Haute-pressed stereo stock's deadwax is all hand-etched: "#S-7434   N-51901-S-2   10-6- 70"   and opposite that, what appears to be a "1" with a circle around it and "TI". Stated and actual times are 3:02. ]]> Wed, 11 Dec 2013 19:14:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=39884&title=van-morrison-domino#39884 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=39878&title=van-morrison-domino#39878 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 1065
Posted: 11 December 2013 at 9:39am

My 45 is mono and runs about 3:02 ( I have a half second of
silence on the beginning of my file) vs. all of the
database listings that are stereo. Not sure if the 45 is a
fold down or a dedicated mono mix. But, it there was an
edit that may be why Pat classifies it as an LP version.]]> Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:39:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=39878&title=van-morrison-domino#39878 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=39866&title=van-morrison-domino#39866 Author: Santi Paradoa
Subject: 1065
Posted: 10 December 2013 at 7:38pm

eriejwg wrote: eriejwg wrote: Is there echo present on the 45 (as Paul eluded to), that's not present on the LP versions? Ordered the 45 today, guess I'll have to find out for myself. Thanks all!

Any final conclusion on this
one? ]]> Tue, 10 Dec 2013 19:38:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=39866&title=van-morrison-domino#39866 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=12396&title=van-morrison-domino#12396 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 1065
Posted: 05 November 2007 at 10:45am

eriejwg wrote: Is there echo present on the 45 (as Paul eluded to), that's not present on the LP versions?

Ordered the 45 today, guess I'll have to find out for myself. Thanks all!]]> Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:45:03 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=12396&title=van-morrison-domino#12396 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=12388&title=van-morrison-domino#12388 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 1065
Posted: 04 November 2007 at 11:08pm

Reviving again, the edit seems simple, but is there echo present on the 45 (as Paul eluded to), that's not present on the LP versions?]]> Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:08:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=12388&title=van-morrison-domino#12388 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=6619&title=van-morrison-domino#6619 Author: davidclark
Subject: 1065
Posted: 28 July 2006 at 11:27am

i feel this post need reviving, as we never did resove anything. Timings/speed/edits 45 vs. LP.]]> Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:27:17 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=6619&title=van-morrison-domino#6619 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1065&PID=5773&title=van-morrison-domino#5773 Author: Rick Hunter
Subject: 1065
Posted: 21 June 2006 at 1:15pm

Like everyone on this thread, this one is driving me nuts. I have three CDs containing Domino - His Band And The Street Choir, Best Of and the Time-Life Sounds Of The Seventies SOD-01.

I ripped all three into Adobe Audition 1.5 for comparison. After trimming the opening dead audio to the first guitar note of the intro on each, I found that all three versions are virtually the same length. At the last audible portion of the final horn note, the Street Choir and Best Of versions clocked in (using the Adobe digital clock) at 3:06 - give or take a couple of tenths of seconds. Given the disparate times in the previous posts and in Pat's database, I can't explain why this is so...but I trust the software and its clock.

Concerning the edit...prior to the compact disc era, I played Domino on the radio for many years - initially the vinyl 45, and later the cartridge tape dub of the 45. In fact (gulp) I played it as a current hit in late '70. I'm trusting that my memory of the single is still intact, but you never know.

For anyone interested, the edit I've done on all three occurs after the third and final "on the radio" lyric...immediately after "radio." Essentially, it cuts out the three "uhh-ahh's", to the "hear" of the "hear the band." Technically, the edit is from 2:42:000 to 2:49.886 on the Adobe clock - so it's a 7.266 second edit.

Thus, the 45 edit running time for each is again similar, at 2:59 - give or take. Again this concerns me because it obviously conflicts with the vinyl 45 times given by Aaron and Gary. Can either of you supply me with a copy of the stock or reissue 45 for review?

We're currently using my version on WOMC, so I'd like to ensure that I've got it right. Likewise, I hope this helps everyone, without muddying the waters too much more.

Rick
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