https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 30 Apr 2026 13:49:54 +0000 Fri, 11 Oct 2024 12:18:38 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=10042 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65300&title=pop-annual-19502023#65300 Author: music4life75
Subject: 10042
Posted: 11 October 2024 at 12:18pm

LunarLaugh wrote: music4life75 wrote: I’m a little confused as to the total number of songs that charted in the 1970’s. The numbers are different than what’s represented on Ron’s Hot 100 library. I’m just wondering if recharts are handled differently, as in any song that recharted with the same version, only count as one. Doesn't Ron also have multiple versions of certain songs in his library (i.e. a non-hit original rendition by another artist or LP and 45 versions)? That could account for the difference in numbers.

When I decided to list every 1980's song that charted, I saw an error that Ron immediately corrected. The count him and I have is 4,172. This includes all re-charts.]]> Fri, 11 Oct 2024 12:18:38 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65300&title=pop-annual-19502023#65300 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65251&title=pop-annual-19502023#65251 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 10042
Posted: 29 September 2024 at 2:17pm

When I assembled the Hot 100 folders, I used the rankings from Pop Annual 1955-2011. (Any errors were my own!)

I'm currently re-assembling them using the rankings from Pop Annual 1950-2023 and using a lot more potential sources for the tracks. At present, I've only redone 1997-1999. It will likely be a few years before I can revisit the 1970s folders.

Any differences between the 2011 book (my original numberings) and the 2023 book arise from how low-charting re-entries are treated. In general, I think the 2011 tended to list the low-charting re-entries, while the 2023 tended to not list them. I'm sure that Paul used his discretion regarding whether to list a re-charting hit in a later year, or to leave it out.

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Sun, 29 Sep 2024 14:17:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65251&title=pop-annual-19502023#65251 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65250&title=pop-annual-19502023#65250 Author: LunarLaugh
Subject: 10042
Posted: 29 September 2024 at 12:46pm

music4life75 wrote: I’m a little confused as to the total number of songs that charted in the 1970’s. The numbers are different than what’s represented on Ron’s Hot 100 library. I’m just wondering if recharts are handled differently, as in any song that recharted with the same version, only count as one.

Doesn't Ron also have multiple versions of certain songs in his library (i.e. a non-hit original rendition by another artist or LP and 45 versions)? That could account for
the difference in numbers. ]]> Sun, 29 Sep 2024 12:46:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65250&title=pop-annual-19502023#65250 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65203&title=pop-annual-19502023#65203 Author: JMD1961
Subject: 10042
Posted: 02 September 2024 at 9:26am

Paul Haney wrote: Those peak positions came from the original Pop Memories 1890-1954 book. That book used Cash Box and Billboard Regional charts, so the positions come from one (or both) of those. Joel never cared for that, which is why he did the Pop Hits 1940-54 book, which just reflects the actual Billboard charts (and where the 1950-54 Annual rankings came from for the latest edition).

Thanks, Paul. ]]> Mon, 02 Sep 2024 09:26:24 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65203&title=pop-annual-19502023#65203 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65199&title=pop-annual-19502023#65199 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 10042
Posted: 02 September 2024 at 7:19am

JMD1961 wrote: Before I ask my question, let me first say that how much the new volume has helped me catalogue my CD track collection. My main reasons for buying was the inclusion of the check off boxes. Thanks for bringing them back. Now, the question. I'm going through my CDs from the various Bill Buster labels and I've noticed something. On a CD titled "Rare Pop Instrumentals Of The Fifties", two tracks are listed as being released in 1953. The first is "The Typewriter" by Leroy Anderson, which the CD says peaked at #21. The second is "Melancholy Serenade" by Jackie Gleason, which peaked at #22. The only problem with this is that the Annual only goes to #20 for 1953. Another track not listed in the Annual is "Look Sharp - Be Sharp" by the Boston Pops Orchestra, which went to #27 in 1954, but that one is clearly listed as being a Cash Box peak. Neither of the other tracks is listed that way. So, where did the 1953 chart positions come from? Was there a sub-chart, like a bubbling under, that went below the 20 position chart? Just curious.

Those peak positions came from the original Pop Memories
1890-1954 book. That book used Cash Box and Billboard
Regional charts, so the positions come from one (or both)
of those. Joel never cared for that, which is why he did
the Pop Hits 1940-54 book, which just reflects the actual
Billboard charts (and where the 1950-54 Annual rankings
came from for the latest edition).]]> Mon, 02 Sep 2024 07:19:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65199&title=pop-annual-19502023#65199 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65197&title=pop-annual-19502023#65197 Author: JMD1961
Subject: 10042
Posted: 02 September 2024 at 4:02am

Before I ask my question, let me first say that how much
the new volume has helped me catalogue my CD track
collection. My main reasons for buying was the inclusion
of the check off boxes. Thanks for bringing them back.

Now, the question. I'm going through my CDs from the
various Bill Buster labels and I've noticed something.
On a CD titled "Rare Pop Instrumentals Of The Fifties",
two tracks are listed as being released in 1953. The
first is "The Typewriter" by Leroy Anderson, which the CD
says peaked at #21. The second is "Melancholy Serenade"
by Jackie Gleason, which peaked at #22. The only problem
with this is that the Annual only goes to #20 for 1953.

Another track not listed in the Annual is "Look Sharp -
Be Sharp" by the Boston Pops Orchestra, which went to #27
in 1954, but that one is clearly listed as being a Cash
Box peak. Neither of the other tracks is listed that
way.

So, where did the 1953 chart positions come from? Was
there a sub-chart, like a bubbling under, that went below
the 20 position chart? Just curious.

]]> Mon, 02 Sep 2024 04:02:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65197&title=pop-annual-19502023#65197 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65164&title=pop-annual-19502023#65164 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 10042
Posted: 26 August 2024 at 12:46pm

If anything, this proves that counting the hits is an inexact science at best. I wish Joel would've just picked
a formula for re-entries and stayed with it, but it seemed like he changed his mind with each subsequent
edition. I didn't want to make any changes for the most recent Pop Annual, because I wanted the info to match
the 2-volume set of Top Pop Singles books that we recently did.]]> Mon, 26 Aug 2024 12:46:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65164&title=pop-annual-19502023#65164 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65162&title=pop-annual-19502023#65162 Author: music4life75
Subject: 10042
Posted: 26 August 2024 at 10:51am

Ok I know what happened.
I had a total of 5351.
Ron had a total of 5345.
Dave Kinzer counted 5344.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2020/jan/18/5344-songs-l ater-
dave-
kinzer-completes-70s-mu/

He’s the one that helped me years ago for the amount of songs that charted
in the 80’s.

To say the least, I was pretty much confused regarding the recharted songs.
When I counted 14 songs that recharted with the same version, and since I
was off by 14, I thought I found my mistake.

I thought Billy Preston’s “That’s The Way God Planned it”, would count as a
70’s song, but seeing as the re-release charted lower, it makes sense.

I’m glad you were able to clear this up for me! 😀👍

Edited by music4life75]]> Mon, 26 Aug 2024 10:51:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65162&title=pop-annual-19502023#65162 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65157&title=pop-annual-19502023#65157 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 10042
Posted: 25 August 2024 at 4:10pm

Some of those re-entries are accounted for in the latest Pop Annual. I got ambitious and compared the current version (1950-2023) with the counts
in Ron's Library and found the following discrepancies:

1970 - Ron (636) / Annual (634) - Ron has "Superstar" by Murray Head (#437) and "Maggie" by Redbone (#472)
1971 - Ron (620) / Annual (619) - Ron has "Layla" by Derek & The Dominos (#303)
1972 - Ron (584) / Annual (583) - Ron has "That's The Way God Planned It" by Billy Preston (#377)
1973 - Ron (531) / Annual (530) - Ron has "Lucky Man" by Emerson, Lake & Palmer (#292)
1974 - Ron (493) / Annual (492) - Ron has "Love That Really Counts" by Natural Four listed twice at #491 & #492
1975 - Ron (559) / Annual (558) - Ron has "Send In The Clowns" by Judy Collins (#235)
1976 - Ron (527) / Annual (527)
1977 - Ron (469) / Annual (469)
1978 - Ron (451) / Annual (450) - Ron has "Crazy On You" by Heart (#332)
1979 - Ron (475) / Annual (475)

By my count, that's only 8 differences, not 14 (and one of those is a duplicate by Ron).

So I'm not sure where you came up with 14???]]> Sun, 25 Aug 2024 16:10:35 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65157&title=pop-annual-19502023#65157 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10042&PID=65155&title=pop-annual-19502023#65155 Author: music4life75
Subject: 10042
Posted: 25 August 2024 at 2:06pm

To me, if the exact version was re-released: (“You Can Call Me Al”, “When I’m
With You”, “Into The Night”), that should count as one. If the song was re-
released as a shorter version: (“In Your Eyes”), the regular album version (I
think “Red, Red Wine” is the only one to do this in the 80’s) or a remixed
version (“I’m So Excited”, “Relax”, “Every Little Kiss”) it should count as 2
different entries.
But getting back to the 1970’s. Most re-releases were released with the
same version, unless it was released again as a live version. Going by
memory, I believe “Dream On”, “Layla” and “Bell Bottom Blues” were
released in both album and single versions. “One Tin Soldier” was released
as a re-recording and I’m not even gonna try to explain the 3 versions of
“Think” James Brown.
Counting all charted 1970’s songs, I got 5,351 but as stated above, it’s 5,337,
which would make sense as I counted 14 songs that charted twice with the
same version.


1. Beach Boys, The-Sail On Sailor (#79, ‘73, #49, ‘75)
2. Bowie, David-Changes (#66, ‘72, #41, ‘75)
3. Collins, Judy-Send In The Clowns (#36, ‘75, #19, ‘77)
4. Coven-One Tin Soldier (The Legend Of Billy Jack) (#26, ‘71, #79, ‘73)
5. Electric Light Orchestra-Showdown (#53, ‘74, #59, ‘76)
6. Emerson, Lake & Palmer-Lucky Man (#48, ‘71, #51, ‘73)
7. Hall, Daryl & John Oates-She’s Gone (#60, ‘74, #7, ‘76)
8. Head, Murray-Superstar (#74, ‘70, #14, ‘71)
9. Heart-Crazy On You (#35, ‘76, #62, ‘78)
10. Miles, Buddy-Them Changes (#81, ‘70, #62, ‘71)
11. Newton-John, Olivia-I Honestly Love You (#1, ‘74, #48, ‘77)
12. Pickett, Bobby “Boris” , And The Crypt-Kickers-Monster Mash
      (#91, ‘70, #10, ‘73)
13. Think-Once You Understand (#23, ‘72, #53, ‘74)
14.-Disco Inferno (#53, ‘77, #11, ‘78)

I’m also assuming the highest chart position determines what year the song
is included in. My apologies if I’m mistaken on any of this. Thanks everyone!
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