Heart - Crazy On You
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Topic: Heart - Crazy On You
Posted By: bjhami75
Subject: Heart - Crazy On You
Date Posted: 26 August 2025 at 5:17pm
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I'm trying to confirm the length of the song "Crazy On You" by Heart from the original album Dreamboat Annie. I don't have the LP (or the 45), but pictures of the LP on ebay show the length to be 3:54 on the LP label. Discogs also says the time is 3:54. The database indicates the length to be around 4:54. Most CD versions of the song are around 4:54. Maybe a misprint on the LP(?) I have the song on two CDs: Heart's Greatest Hits (AFZ 119) where the song is 4:55, and on Dreamboat Annie (DCC 1058) where the song is 4:20. Someone on another forum claimed that 4:20 is the original length of the song from the album, but that doesn't match the time printed on the LP label. The time entry on the database listed for the DCC version of Dreamboat Annie is 4:53, not 4:20. The 4:20 time also doesn't exactly match the 4:16 time shown on the 45 label, or Ron's Hot 100 time for the stock 45 (4:14). Anyhoo, If anyone can confirm the actual length of the original album version of "Crazy On You" it would be greatly appreciated. And I think the database entry for the DCC version of the song should be changed from 4:54 to 4:20. At this point, I'm not sure the 4:20 version matches the 45 version, the original LP version or some unique version for the DCC. I would be happy to send anyone the DCC version of this song if needed. Thanks in advance. Brad
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 26 August 2025 at 7:02pm
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Here's a video of the song playing from the vinyl LP. It runs 4:46. https://youtu.be/mW145Rqge5k?feature=shared" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/mW145Rqge5k?feature=shared ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA Celebrating 28 years as a full-time wedding & special event DJ! |
Posted By: bjhami75
Date Posted: 26 August 2025 at 8:08pm
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Thanks John, greatly appreciated. That closely matches the version on the Greatest Hits CD that I have. The major difference between this version and the 4:20 version on the DCC CD is the intro. I'm guessing some people consider all or part of the intro to be part of the previous song, "Dreamboat Annie (Fantasy Child)", and others consider it part of "Crazy On You". The times on the LP Label (and Discogs) seem to indicate it's part of "Dreamboat Annie (Fantasy Child)" but the numbers still don't add up (at least in my simple mind). I'm wondering which way the artists wanted it. (I know, I should probably just let it go) I ran into this on other CDs/Albums. For example, I have two versions of Pink Floyd's The Wall on CD that have different index points for various songs. Thanks, Brad
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 26 August 2025 at 11:00pm
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If the vinyl LP version runs 4:46, why do CDs in the database run anywhere from 4:49 to 4:54? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA Celebrating 28 years as a full-time wedding & special event DJ! |
Posted By: bjhami75
Date Posted: 27 August 2025 at 9:04am
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So, I've done a little more research. Someone on another forum wrote this: "The Mushrom 45 version of "Crazy On You" is 4:16 - just as it is on the DCC and the original Mushroom album (give or take a second or two). The AF (and the original Sony/Legacy release the AF is based on) as well as the 1980 Greatest Hits/Live Epic Records release actually have added the second half - about 40 seconds - of the previous track, "Dreamboat Annie (Fantasy Child)" to this song. Capitol did the same thing with their CD issue of DA in '86 - splitting "Dreamboat Annie (Fantasy Child)" in half and indexing its second half to be part of the "Crazy On You" intro. When Steve did the DCC of DA, he indexed it back to the way it was banded on the original Mushroom LP. I figure that the only reason Capitol re-indexed the two tracks was because Epic set the precedent back in 1980. And now everyone thinks that the second half of "Dreamboat Annie (Fantasy Child)" is part of "Crazy On You"." A friend of mine has an early version of the LP and this morning we played the album and, using the track bands, confirmed that the guitar "intro" that is often associated with "Crazy on You" is actually part of "Dreamboat Annie (Fantasy Child)" on the original LP. I believe this means that the original LP version of "Crazy on You" is between 3:54 and 4:20; not 4:46-4:54. Since I'm still a newbie to this forum, I'm not sure what happens next. I assume someone else needs to confirm this(?) Brad
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 August 2025 at 9:38am
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Thanks for confirming, Brad. I don't have an original LP pressing, but I assume they are all the same. I'll work on updating the database. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: bjhami75
Date Posted: 27 August 2025 at 5:07pm
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Thank Aaron. In summary: Those songs in the database with times of 4:50-4:54, that are identified as "LP Version", are really the original LP Version with a guitar intro taken from the previous track (Dreamboat Annie (Fantasy Child)). Those songs in the database with times around 4:16 are either the commercial single or the LP version. I don't see a difference between the two timewise, so they may be the same. Someone more skilled than I may have to confirm. The DCC Compact Classic version is also the LP version. The file length is 4:20, but the actual song is around 4:15. I really hope someone else can confirm all this. Brad
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 August 2025 at 10:04pm
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I think you're correct that the commercial 45 and LP versions are the same in this case. I've never known there to be any edits or mix differences--only the "Dreamboat Annie" indexing differences. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 27 August 2025 at 10:24pm
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Summing up everything I know about the various versions: Beginning with the 1980 Epic release of Greatest Hits, record companies considered the full LP version to be 4:54, with the first 37 seconds being the last half of the excellent acoustic guitar track "Dreamboat Annie (Fantasy Child)". In reality, the true LP version runs about 4:17 (the tail of the fade seems to go on forever), and begins with a 16-beat acoustic strummed intro. The commercial 45 (printed 4:16) is the same as the true LP version. The database shows that the tail of the fade ends at 4:13. There's a printed 4:10 promo 45 version, which cuts out the 16-beat acoustic strummed intro and begins on the downbeat. The rest of the song is the same as the LP version. There's a printed 3:09 promo 45 version, which includes the 16-beat acoustic strummed intro, and fades early to 3:10. No edits, compared to the true LP version, just an early fade. There's a printed 2:58 promo 45 version, which also includes the 16-beat acoustic strummed intro, and fades early to 3:08. Also no edits, compared to the true LP version, just an early fade. For all practical purposes, the printed 2:58 promo 45 version is the same as the printed 3:09 promo 45 version. Discogs also shows a Canadian promo 45 with the 2:58 on both sides, but in mono on both sides. Yay, AM radio! ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: bjhami75
Date Posted: 29 August 2025 at 7:57am
| Thank you Aaron and Ron! |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 31 August 2025 at 11:32am
Loving this post, as like so many, I was never sure of the true dividing line between "Fantasy Child" and "Crazy on You". However, when I pulled up the versions I have in my library to start snipping and re-creating the various 45 versions as described here (as one does...), I went to Youtube to try to gauge the fade points. The first video I pulled up by searching "heart crazy on you promo 45" belongs to the AnotherProf account and immediately adds an outlier to the list above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y-smWQqYrU&list=RD8y-smWQqYrU&start_radio=1" rel="nofollow - a short promo version that starts on the downbeat without any of the strummed acoustic intro . The description for the video states this was recorded from the M-7021-PC promo and has a printed intro time of ":13". This led me to go digging at Discogs and it appears that there are 4 different Mushroom promo 45s between the U.S. and Canada: certainly some of these will line up to what you reported above, Ron -- but what I noticed moreover was that the stated intro times are split between the different pressings: some state ":13" and some state ":20". I don't own any of these promo 45s but going off of what I'm seeing in your post vs. the AnotherProf video, I have a theory that perhaps the ones you reference as containing the strummed intro are the ":20" copies and ones labeled ":13" likely start on the downbeat: https://www.discogs.com/search?q=crazy+on+you+heart+45+promo+mushroom&type=all" rel="nofollow - Discogs Search (1) M-7021-PC (Mono/Stereo 45 Promo U.S.) {Likely the record AnotherProf has posted above} A: Short 2.58 (Mono) printed time with :13 intro B: Long 4.10 (Stereo) printed time with :13 intro Likely does not contain acoustic strummed intro (2) M-FM-7021 (Stereo Only 45 Promo U.S.) {Likely the record Ron references above} A: Long 4.10 (Stereo) printed time with :20 intro B: Short 3.09 (Stereo) printed time with :20 intro Likely contains 16-beat acoustic strummed intro (3) M-7021-FM (Stereo Only 45 Promo U.S.) {These catalog nos. are driving me nuts} A: Short 2.58 (Stereo) printed time with :13 intro B: Long 4.10 (Stereo) printed time with :13 intro Likely does not contain acoustic strummed intro - see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ7CVvPojIw&list=RDgJ7CVvPojIw&start_radio=1" rel="nofollow - this Youtube video but also ignore the claim that it mirrors the commercial copy which I think we have established contains the intro (4) M-7021-PC (Canada Mono Only Promo) [Referenced by Ron above] Both sides 2:58 listed time with :13 printed intro. In my elaborate but unproven theory, these may actually feature a chopped intro like the other printed :13 promos Anyway, just wanted to give you a headache this morning! TTYL! |
crapfromthepast wrote:Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 31 August 2025 at 11:43am
(And sorry if I'm contradicting something you've already proven in some of this entry -- after reading your points and also pulling up the various Youtube videos, my eyes started to cross a bit  )
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Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 31 August 2025 at 4:19pm
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Ugh. The endless variations are truly crazy-making. I know we like to document everything meticulously, but I'm going to opt out of doing so for "Crazy On You". I can summarize, though: Starting with the LP version, mathematics tells us that there are exactly four permutations of: (1) deleting the 16-beat strummed intro vs. keeping the intro, and (2) fading early vs. keeping the full length. We can create any of these four combinations as we see fit. I personally believe that the LP version was the hit, so I view all of these as non-hit promo versions. Any mono mixes are likely fold-downs of the stereo mixes. (Can't confirm, though.) ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 04 September 2025 at 12:16pm
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I had one of the promo edits in my active music library and have shifted to just carrying the commercial single version running 4:13. I now recall hearing the commercial single more than one of the promo edits on the radio in 1976. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA Celebrating 28 years as a full-time wedding & special event DJ! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 September 2025 at 7:45pm
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My promo 45s are not currently pulled and in front of me, but I have dubs on my hard drive that are labeled well enough that I can tell you what's on each: 2:58 printed - full intro; has a 7.5 second acoustic guitar intro before drums and electric guitar begin; total intro time is 20 seconds; actual run time is 3:09; the label says the intro is :13 but it is actually :20 4:10 printed (flip side of 2:58 printed promo) - edited intro; has a 12.5 second intro and starts with the drums and electric guitar (no acoustic guitar opening); actual run time 4:06 3:09 printed - exactly the same version as found on the 2:58 printed promo but the actual run time is 3:10.3 (fade out is one second longer) 4:10 printed (flip side of 3:09 printed promo) - actual run time is 4:13 and has the full intro (acoustic guitar for 7.5 seconds before drums and electric guitars; total 20 second intro); same as commercial 45 Perhaps there is a short promo with an edited intro, but if so, it's not on any of the pressings I own. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 05 September 2025 at 7:27am
I recall it being maybe 50/50. Our station played the promo edit, as did our cross-town competition. Likewise, "Magic Man". |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 08 September 2025 at 8:12am
| I also recall mixed airplay between commercial and promo versions of both "Crazy On You" and "Magic Man" in 1976. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 September 2025 at 11:49am
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Do either of you (Paul or Steve) remember which promo of Crazy On You got the airplay since there appears to be 3 different lengths? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA Celebrating 28 years as a full-time wedding & special event DJ! |
Posted By: ptgraphics
Date Posted: 08 September 2025 at 7:18pm
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Maybe already been mention and I missed it but the 4:19 version can be found on the UK CD single for What About Love. I have it and it sounds good. https://www.discogs.com/release/2282374-Heart-What-About-Love" rel="nofollow - https://www.discogs.com/release/2282374-Heart-What-About-Love ------------- Check out my website for singles cover art at www.artofthesingle.com. |