https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 11 Apr 2026 23:36:10 +0000 Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:49:22 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4746 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=60696&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#60696 Author: LunarLaugh
Subject: 4746
Posted: 17 April 2022 at 11:49am

The "horns" at the beginning of the single mix of "Sure
Gonna Miss Her" are in fact two trombone tracks recorded at
half speed so that they sounded more like Mexican-style
trumpets when played at pitch. I guess they couldn't book
any trumpet players for that particular session so they
used a bit of ingenuity. As far as I know, those horns were
only on the mono mix until the advent of the CD-era stereo
remixes. ]]> Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:49:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=60696&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#60696 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=60680&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#60680 Author: ChicagoBill
Subject: 4746
Posted: 13 April 2022 at 10:48am

I remember the single had horns in the beginning. Then in November of 1966 I bought the 'Golden Greats'
L.P., Liberty LST-7468, and there were no horns in the beginning. I thought there was an acoustic or
'spanish' guitar in the beginning of both. I've been resigned to the fact that Gary Lewis had more
different mixes of his recordings than anyone I can think of! -Bill.]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:48:34 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=60680&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#60680 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=60679&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#60679 Author: thecdguy
Subject: 4746
Posted: 13 April 2022 at 10:09am

Weren't there two different versions of "Sure Gonna Miss
Her"? I seem to remember one with horns and one with what
sounded like a Spanish Guitar. Same vocals, as far as I
remember.

Edited by thecdguy]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:09:17 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=60679&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#60679 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22115&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22115 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4746
Posted: 03 May 2009 at 9:19am

TomDiehl1 wrote: With a set like this.... do they go back to the mono mixdown session masters (which would end cold) and just re-fade them to match the 45 (as opposed to the original 45 masters with the fades built in)? If not, then i don't understand how the tapes would run a little longer for any of the tunes...(This Diamond Ring for example).

I've always wondered about this too... It seems so often that a song's fade on CD doesn't match its 45 or LP fades.]]> Sun, 03 May 2009 09:19:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22115&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22115 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22114&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22114 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 4746
Posted: 03 May 2009 at 8:50am

With a set like this.... do they go back to the mono mixdown session masters (which would end cold) and just re-fade them to match the 45 (as opposed to the original 45 masters with the fades built in)? If not, then i don't understand how the tapes would run a little longer for any of the tunes...(This Diamond Ring for example).]]> Sun, 03 May 2009 08:50:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22114&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22114 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22101&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22101 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4746
Posted: 02 May 2009 at 1:23pm

Brian, I'd thought about registering at the SH forum and starting a thread about the Beatles. But I see there already is one. ;)

You're absolutely right. These projects show exactly who has and hasn't done their homework. Steve has the TLC part down pat. Case in point: on several of the earlier Gary Lewis vinyl 45s, the fades end rather abruptly and with a bit of a "clunk," to boot. The CDs show that that's exactly how they ended on the masters, too. Steve made the effort to smooth out the end tips of these fades without shortening them. There were a couple of instances where I thought the CD fades bailed out early, but when I normalized just the tips of those fades, I found otherwise.
]]> Sat, 02 May 2009 13:23:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22101&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22101 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22087&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22087 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 4746
Posted: 02 May 2009 at 1:15am

Thanks for your detailed analysis, Yah! I'm expecting mine in the mail any day now. (I ordered the slow shipping, after the release date.)

Yeah, Steve Hoffman is really a stickler for getting the right tapes. His standard procedure is to just aks the label libraries for "every tape you've got" for a particular title. When he was mastering "Judy at Carnegie Hall" for DCC, he asked for every tape and got roughly 40 reels! In among it all was the three-track multitrack for the concert... no one at Capitol had known or remembered it was recorded in stereo! That's why it exists in stereo on CD today.

Too bad Hoffman wasn't working on the Motown Singles sets! We wouldn't have all these mistakes. Still haven't heard back from Harry Weingar regarding fixing the 1971 volume.

Edited by Brian W.]]> Sat, 02 May 2009 01:15:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22087&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22087 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22078&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22078 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4746
Posted: 01 May 2009 at 2:21pm

Thanks, Todd. I should clarify that the only tracks that I've heard from the new CD set were the ones I reviewed above, so I can't speak for the remainder of the tracks. But as far as the hits go, it's a go-go-go!! :)]]> Fri, 01 May 2009 14:21:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22078&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22078 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22076&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22076 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4746
Posted: 01 May 2009 at 1:31pm

Outstanding work, Yah Shure! Sounds like for all intents and purposes the new Gary Lewis & the Playboys set is a winner!]]> Fri, 01 May 2009 13:31:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22076&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22076 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22075&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22075 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4746
Posted: 01 May 2009 at 10:15am

I did A/B comparisons between all of my Gary Lewis & The Playboys Liberty 45s and their corresponding tracks from the new Complete Liberty Singles CD (thank you, John!) This is a great collection of the mono 45s, and is more faithful to the vinyl 45s than was the case with the Tommy James set. The takes utilized on the CD are identical to those used on the original Liberty vinyl 45s. Timing differences are much smaller this time around, too (again, using a direct drive turntable.)

Here are the breakdowns for all of the top 40 hits, with the sole exception of "Sealed With A Kiss," which I do not have on 45. Filling in is the #43 near-miss, "The Loser (With A Broken Heart)" :

"This Diamond Ring" (vinyl 45 run time is 2:04, CD track is 2:04)
CD runs about 1.04 seconds faster than the vinyl 45. The CD track's fadeout continues 1.04 seconds beyond the end of the 45, giving both an identical time of 2:04.

"Count Me In" (vinyl 45 run time is 2:18, CD track is 2:17)
CD runs about .64 second faster than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.

"Save Your Heart For Me" (vinyl 45 runs 1:54, CD runs 1:56)
CD runs about .35 second faster than the vinyl 45. The 45 decay dumps out :02 sooner than on the CD.

"Everybody Loves A Clown" (vinyl 45 run time is 2:21, CD track is 2:21)
CD runs about .36 second slower than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.

"She's Just My Style" (vinyl 45 run time is 2:50, CD track is 2:51)
CD runs about .63 second slower than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.

"Sure Gonna Miss Her" (vinyl 45 run time is 2:13, CD track is 2:13)
CD runs about .63 second slower than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.

"Green Grass" (vinyl 45 runs 2:05, CD track is 2:07)
CD runs about .61 second slower than the vinyl 45. CD fadeout point is just a hair past the 45's fadeout point.

"My Heart's Symphony" (vinyl 45 runs 2:30, CD track is 2:30)
Essentially the same speed. CD runs .04 second faster than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.

"(You Don't Have To) Paint Me A Picture" (vinyl 45 runs 2:09, CD runs 2:09)
CD runs about .22 second slower than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.

"Where Will The Words Come From" (vinyl 45 runs 1:58, CD runs 1:59)
CD runs about .30 second slower than the vinyl 45. CD decay is very slightly longer than on the 45.

"The Loser (With A Broken Heart)" (vinyl 45 runs 2:05, CD runs 2:05)
Essentially the same speed. CD runs about .09 second faster than the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.

"Girls In Love" (vinyl 45 runs 2:26, CD runs 2:26)
Essentially the same speed. CD track runs .10 second faster than the vinyl 45. During the last second of the psychedelic pause (from 1:27 to 1:28) there is a noticeable hum on the CD that is not present on the vinyl 45. Same fadeout points on both.

Edited by Yah Shure]]> Fri, 01 May 2009 10:15:53 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4746&PID=22075&title=gary-lewis-complete-liberty-singles#22075