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I'm trying to put an airplay list together of huge radio hits from 1986 that never made the Hot 100. Stuff that was huge on the radio and we all thought they were Billboard Hits.
An example would be Whitney Houston's All At Once which while released in numerous other countries was never released as a single here. I remember hearing it here in New York on the radio in 1986.
I know freestyle was taking off as well, I just can't find any listing or charts that would help identify these classic non-hot 100 hits. Any help is appreciated
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Define "huge radio hit". "All At Once" got some Top 40 airplay, but not enough to chart pop in
either Radio & Records or The Gavin Report. Songs like "Into The Groove" and "Tell Me I'm Not
Dreamin'" were huge, but those were VERY few and far between, at least prior to the 1990s.
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Here's what I have for "Non-Hot 100 Charted Radio Hits" prior to 1990:
1975 - Pinball Wizard - Elton John (#9 in Radio & Records)
1978 - More Than A Woman - Bee Gees (#21 in R&R)
1979 - All My Love - Led Zeppelin (#10 in R&R)
1984 - Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin' - Jermaine Jackson & Michael Jackson (#6 in R&R)
1985 - Into The Groove - Madonna (#6 in R&R)
1987 - Never Say Goodbye - Bon Jovi (#28 in Billboard (Hot 100 Airplay) & #35 in R&R)
1987 - Edge Of A Broken Heart - Bon Jovi (#38 in Billboard & #39 in R&R)
1988 - Spotlight - Madonna (#32 in Billboard & #31 in R&R)
I'm currently working on The Gavin Report and have found more, including some prior to when R&R
started in 1973. But as you can see, it's overall a pretty small list.
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I was very surprised to learn that "All At Once" never charted, as it
seemed to be on near-constant rotation on Z-100 and WPLJ...
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Michaeldila wrote:
I was very surprised to learn that
"All At Once" never charted, as it
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"All At Once" did manage to make it to #23 A/C in Radio &
Records. It got some CHR airplay as well, just not enough
on a national scale to make the Top 40.
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Paul Haney wrote:
Define "huge radio hit". "All At Once" got some Top 40 airplay, but not enough to chart pop
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either Radio & Records or The Gavin Report. Songs like "Into The Groove" and "Tell Me I'm Not
Dreamin'" were huge, but those were VERY few and far between, at least prior to the 1990s. |
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Agreed, and likely limited to specific markets. Kiss 108 in Boston played a lot of stuff (often in a very heavy
rotation) back in the 80s that never (or barely) charted, but few of them got played anywhere else, even in the
market which tells me they were just turntable hits.
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Hi People,
Please don't forget in the pre-BDS days, songs that were
not worked (promoted) by the record company were
oftentimes not on the reported playlist of the station to
make room for a lamer cut the Promotion Label or
Independent Promoter WAS working.
Occasionally the record company would be vehemently
against the charting of a specific cut they weren't
promoting at that time.
Therefore, if you remember an album cut getting played
for a while on your CHR station, it was probably because
it was "undeniable" to the audience (as in behaving like
a top-ten record).
I would welcome a list of most/all of the LP cuts from
1968 to 1990 that received regular rotation for a brief
period on select Top-40 stations, even if it was compiled
from people's memories only as documentation & airchecks
are scant.
For example, when 'Teaser And The Firecat' by Cat Stevens
came out a couple of Top-40 stations in my area
programmed "Bitterblue" for a while, while a friend in
The Bronx told me that "Tuesday's Dead" got the extra
play where he tuned in. Of course, I'm confident that
"Morning Has Broken" received advanced airplay before
single release in other markets, but this is just
conjecture as there is little real documentation of this
for reasons explained earlier in my post.
Andy
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
I'm confident that
"Morning Has Broken" received advanced airplay before
single release in other markets, but this is just
conjecture as there is little real documentation of this
for reasons explained earlier in my post.
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In compiling the Gavin Report research, I'm seeing a lot
of songs that fit into this category.
I would suggest perusing the charts posted at ARSA.
You'll find a lot of "non Hot 100" songs there. For
example, KDWB in Minneapolis was charting a lot of album
cuts, especially after they went rock-leaning in 1979-80.
In the late summer/early fall of 1979 they were playing
the studio version of "Breakfast In America" so often,
that I thought for sure it would be the third single
release from Supertramp's album. Instead, we got "Take
The Long Way Home."
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Michaeldila wrote:
I was very surprised to learn that "All At Once" never charted, as it
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Yep, glad I am not the only one who remembers! It was played all the time on rotation in 1986 after her big #1 hits of 1985 had charted already. That one and Nice & Wild's Diamond Girl were in heavy rotation.
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
I would welcome a list of most/all of the LP cuts from 1968 to 1990 that received regular rotation for a brief period on select Top-40 stations, even if it was compiled from people's memories only as documentation & airchecks are scant.
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There are plenty of classic 1960's Hits which never charted on the Hot 100 that are considered huge hits today:
Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter and Beatles - Here Comes the Sun are just two examples.
I do agree a list would be nice. I don't recall ever seeing one. Whitburn's mention in the 1955-2018 book of the Classic Non-Hot 100 Hits is about as close as anyone has come to including them all. That's why I posted, it would be cool to remember what people heard that never charted.
1984's Debbie Deb - Music was another big freestyle hit for example. 1985's Madonna - Into The Groove was a huge non-hot 100 hit. Stuff like that which got airplay here but were huge hits everywhere and charted in other countries!
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Richie,
While I can't comment nationally, I can help with songs
that were played in the NY Tri-State Area in 1986 but did
not chart on the Hot 100.
I own all of the WPLJ Power Hit Weekly Survey's and I
went through them and found the following songs made
PLJ's weekly charts but did not make the Hot 100:
Affection - Ta Mara & The Seen
Guilty - Yarbrough & Peoples
I'm Not Gonna Let - Colonel Abrams
Love Can Take Us All The Way - Jack Wagner
If You Should Ever Be Lonely - Val Young
Sweetheart - Rainy Davis
Respect The Power Of Love - Stephanie Mills
All At Once - Whitney Houston
Jump Back (Set Me Free) - Dhar Braxton
Let's Go Mets! - Dream Team
Some of these I personally remember extremely well and
others I don't recall at all.
I also have the Z-100 and Hot 103 Survey's but I need to
dig those out.
Hope this is a helpful start.
-Jeff
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It still seems to me you'd have to establish some sort of "minimum airplay" threshold. There are literally
thousands of songs that may have been played a few times on a few stations. If that's what you're after, then it
seems like a never-ending quest.
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[/QUOTE]
In compiling the Gavin Report research, I'm seeing a lot
of songs that fit into this category.
I would suggest perusing the charts posted at ARSA.
You'll find a lot of "non Hot 100" songs there. For
example, KDWB in Minneapolis was charting a lot of album
cuts, especially after they went rock-leaning in 1979-80.
In the late summer/early fall of 1979 they were playing
the studio version of "Breakfast In America" so often,
that I thought for sure it would be the third single
release from Supertramp's album. Instead, we got "Take
The Long Way Home."[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Paul, that's exactly the type of documentation I'm
looking for - I can't wait 'til your distillation of the
Gavin Report comes to light if it contains this sort of
info!
Andy
Edit to add: Something went wrong with the formatting of
my quote of Paul Haney..
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To add to this great discussion, I would like to see this
thread concentrate on LP cuts that weren't conventional
singles (at that time) that got a few weeks of play on your
local CHR/Top-40 as opposed to regional hits that got play
on your station that were 'proper" singles.
Am I making any sense here?
I think that is PopArchivist's goal too
Andy
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Agreed Paul. I think it will definitely vary market by
market.
That being said, as I look at just these 10 songs from
'86 that WPLJ played, I remember hearing several of them
constantly (I will be curious if Z100 and Hot 103 also
played them....when I pull those survey's I will post).
As Richie mentioned, "All At Once" was really big in NY.
To this day it amazes me that it never made the Hot 100.
Another one is "If You Should Ever Be Lonely". I also
remember hearing that constantly.
But I do agree, there is no threshold to define "huge
radio hits" on a national scale.
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The Gavin Report research will include quite a few album cuts from the 1960s. One example is "Michelle" by The Beatles.
It peaked at #1 on January 7, 1966.
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Paul Haney wrote:
The Gavin Report research will include quite a few album cuts from the 1960s. One example is "Michelle" by The
Beatles.
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Paul Haney wrote:
It still seems to me you'd have to establish some sort of "minimum
airplay" threshold. There are literally thousands of songs that may have been played a few times on a few stations. If that's what
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Not to mention almost impossible to document. With the exception of Beatles songs (in a category all by themselves) and a handful of
others (Monkees theme is one), it was rare for LP cuts to be listed on a station's surveys, or at least the surveys of any stations I'm
familiar with. Even WRKO in Boston, which around '71-72
played quite a few album cuts, but you'd never know it going by their surveys. They were just "extras", maybe reported to the trades,
maybe not.
"Michelle" was a legitimate hit song, just one that for whatever reason wasn't released as a single. I NEVER heard the David & Jonathan
version on the radio...I'm
sure its chart position was sales from people thinking it was the Beatles using a pseudonym (D&J were also on Capitol).
And, as I mentioned before, it was largely market (and sometimes station) specific. Of the songs Fetta listed as being big in NYC, the
only one I might have heard on Boston radio was the Whitney Houston song, and I don't think it was on top 40. The rest are completely
unfamiliar.
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[edit:] Never mind. (I had posted about George Michael's "Hard Day" seemingly being abandoned (not getting a 45) due to the popularity of "I Want Your Sex", but I think I am mixed up about when it came out; per another thread, "...Sex" came first.)
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Andrew:
You can fix the HTML by having only one QUOTE without the backslash to start and leave the one with the backslash. Then delete the one after the ..dots after Paul Haney.
Edited by PopArchivist on 02 January 2022 at 10:56pm
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PopArchivist wrote:
Andrew:
You can fix the HTML by having only one QUOTE without the
backslash to start and leave the one with the backslash.
Then delete the one after the ..dots after Paul Haney.
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Thanks!
I've done it successfully before, but I got somewhat
frustrated trying to correct it after I had written my
response, so I let it track as is...
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