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This one's truly unique: Two different promo 45s: The first had both a listed and actual time of (3:30) on both the mono and stereo sides, but the mixes were different. The "stereo" (3:30) side (deadwax ZSS 157670-1D) is the same as the stock 45; a single-track lead vocal. The mono (3:30) side (deadwax ZSP 157669-1C) has a double-tracked, echo-added lead vocal on it. In '74, my Hartford Top 40 station played the mono mix; my New Haven Top 40 station played the stereo mix. The 2nd promo 45 has listed times of (2:52) for both the mono and stereo sides. Keeping with the theme for this, the stereo side did actually run (2:52), (deadwax ZSS 158931-1C) and did keep the single-track vocal of its (3:30) stereo promo counterpart. The (2:52) mono side (actually 2:54) (deadwax ZSP 158930-1Q) keeps the double-track vocal of its (3:30) mono "cousin". The major edit is near the end on both, past the 2:00 mark, just before the final end chorus. Sort of like "Build Me Up Buttercup", where all mono versions have double-tracked vocals, and all stereo versions have a single-track vocal. Whew! I think I kept all that straight...
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It sounds like Epic actually did a dedicated mono mix of the song for AM radio rather than doing a fold down mix of the stereo version. Unusual, since CBS was issuing stereo 45's exclusively for commercial sale when they released "Come And Get Your Love" in late 1973. Most mono 45 sides for promos were usually fold downs of the stereo.
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That's why I worded it as "truly unique", Jeff. I totally agree with you that 99% were fold downs. But not this one. Even I could hear the double-tracked vocal instantly, and I've often confessed the fact that I'm "ear dead" when it comes to noticing such mix differences. For me to catch it - it's gotta be OBVIOUS, and in this case, it is. I recently sent Pat a dub of the 3:30 mono mix, and he's already added it to the database, letting me know that his highly-trained ears concur. Might be Epic's only 1974 dedicated mono mix!
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i've done an A/B for both mixes, folding the stereo down to mono and running them side by side, the true mono mix is definitely not just a stereo fold down, and the double tracked vocals are neat...though i prefer the stereo version of the song anyhow.
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Man this mono mis ie wierd! I wonder who's bright idea it was to double-track the vocal. It sounds terrible, and, frankly, I don't see how anyone would have wanted to buy it hearing this disaster.
I also prefer the stereo "hit" version.
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Jim, there is a third promo 45 out there, also on Epic 5-11035, which I just recently purchased on ebay (it has not been received by me yet, however). It says DJ Re-Service on the label. On one side is the 3:30 version and on the other is the 2:52 edit. The 3:30 label says stereo but the other side is not pictured by the seller (i'll suspect it might be mono, though). The 3:30 side also says "long version". I'll give more info as soon as I get the record...
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Excellent job locating/detailing a third "Come And Get Your Love" promo 45,
Tom! Many thanks for sharing them here.
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I'm not surprised by the number of different "special rush reservice" DJ 45s Epic issued for "Come And Get Your Love" because this single took a L-O-N-G time to break. We were already playing it heavily during Welcome Week at my college station even before fall quarter classes began in September of '73.
Just for grins, the year before, I'd spun the mono side of Poco's Epic single, "Good Feelin' To Know" and noticed that it sounded "wetter" than the stereo side (which itself was a much more pop-flavored mix than the twangier LP version.) I did the same with "Come And Get Your Love" and was quite surprised to hear how different it sounded.
Steve Hoffman has stated over on his forums that fold-downs were considered a "no-no" at the unionized CBS Records, hence the dedicated mono DJ 45 mixes appearing as late as they did.
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Not to mention the 5:00-length full album version...:)
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Bumping this up for Doug, in case he hadn't seen it.
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I never did report back, but the short /
long promo was stereo on both sides.... I
have since sold it. I didn't like the
short edit. More info is at
http://www.45cat.com/record/nc390005us
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aaronk wrote:
Bumping this up for Doug, in case he hadn't seen it.
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Thanks, Aaron. The search function on this board is a little wonky--
everything but this thread turned up when I put "Redbone" in the box.
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I have the LP version on three different CDs, with three different masterings, and all three have their left and right channels out of sync by a sample or two:- Columbia's Rock Artifacts Vol. 2 (1991)
- Sandstone's Reelin' In The Years Vol. 3 (1991)
- Realm's 3-CD Greatest Hits Of The '70s Vol. 1 (2001)
If I had to pick, I'd go with Rock Artifacts Vol. 2, but all three sound significantly worse than any of the 45 versions on CD.
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According to this video, made using a quartz-locked Technics turntable, the short mono "2:52" promo 45 of "Come and Get Your Love" runs to at least 2:56 -- if you cut the intro to where the music begins, the video ends at 2:55.7 while the music is still faintly fading out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjrA3vcu_UI
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Yah Shure wrote:
Steve Hoffman has stated over on his
forums that fold-downs were considered a "no-no" at the
unionized CBS Records, hence the dedicated mono DJ 45
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Given how unionized the entertainment industry is, I'd
imagine the same situation exists at all the other major
labels, how did others get away with fold-downs?
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Hykker wrote:
Yah Shure wrote:
Steve Hoffman has stated over on his
forums that fold-downs were considered a "no-no" at the
unionized CBS Records, hence the dedicated mono DJ 45
mixes appearing as late as they did. |
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Given how unionized the entertainment industry is, I'd
imagine the same situation exists at all the other major
labels, how did others get away with fold-downs?
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Don't we have a statute of limitations around here stating that we're not required to defend posts we made a decade earlier? ;)
I have no idea, other than that CBS' engineering agreement was undoubtedly much more specific than those of the other major labels at the time. Considering how few of them they did after the mid '70s, you have to wonder why the occasional dedicated mono promo 45 mix still managed to make it out the door at 51 W. 52nd Street as late as 1979 (Flash & The Pan's "Hey, St. Peter" comes to mind.)
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