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Chatfan MA
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Dear Chartfans, among many interesting facts and
discussions I have read here some posts on BB chat
methodologies. Nowadays the HOT 100 is a subject of
constant changes and BB kindly announces them with the
given ratios between sales, airplay and streaming
services. However, I never read something about the ratio
between sales and airplay at the time when the HOT 100
was launched on Aug 04, 1958. Unfortunately there is no
copy of the BB magazine published in Google books for
that date. I hoped there would be some information on
this subject. Personally I assume there must have been a
ratio of 60% for sales (retail, including stores and juke
boxes) and 40% radio/DJ. Who knows more?
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Back in 1958, there wasn't nearly the interest in the "behind the scenes" workings of the charts as there seems to be these days with the internet and social media. Until recently, Billboard was never very forthcoming in the exact ratios used for the different components of the Hot 100 over the years and that was their prerogative. The only sure-fire way I know how to get the correct answers is to ask somebody that actually worked in the chart department during whichever era you're wondering about. Of course, those that were there from the 1950s-1970s are either long-retired or dead, so we are left to speculate. IMO, what really matters are the actual chart positions and not how they were put together, although I do admit that it would be interesting to know for sure.
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Chatfan MA
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Paul Haney wrote:
Back in 1958, there wasn't nearly the
interest in the "behind the scenes" workings of the
charts as there seems to be these days with the internet
and social media. Until recently, Billboard was never
very forthcoming in the exact ratios used for the
different components of the Hot 100 over the years and
that was their prerogative. The only sure-fire way I
know how to get the correct answers is to ask somebody
that actually worked in the chart department during
whichever era you're wondering about. Of course, those
that were there from the 1950s-1970s are either long-
retired or dead, so we are left to speculate. IMO, what
really matters are the actual chart positions and not how
they were put together, although I do admit that it would
be interesting to know for sure. |
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Chatfan MA
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I agree, times have changed and nowadays we know average
ratios of the HOT 100 .. interesting for maybe personal
calculations or not. Nevertheless, does anyone have
Billboard's introduction issue of the HOT 100 from August
04, 1958 to see what was written there?
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Paul Haney
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Chatfan MA wrote:
Nevertheless, does anyone have
Billboard's introduction issue of the HOT 100 from August
04, 1958 to see what was written there? |
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Yes, I have the original article in front of me. They don't give any specific ratios, but here's what they say:
Weighted factors in the carefully designed formula include disk jockey plays, juke box activity and sales at the retail level.
Again, they never really revealed to the public the exact formula over the years, so we can only speculate.
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Paul Haney wrote:
Weighted factors in the carefully designed formula
include disk jockey plays, juke box activity and sales at
the retail level.
Again, they never really revealed to the public the exact
formula over the years, so we can only speculate. |
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Probably wasn't one. Until well into the 80s, few stations
outside of the major markets kept airplay logs...certainly
none of the stations I worked at did, and several were
reporting stations. The PD/MD would submit a ranked list
of what we were playing once a week but that was it...there
was no way to tell if a given song got 5 plays or 50. As a
jock I never had to keep track (other during BMI/ASCAP
reporting sweeps).
If I'm not mistaken, it was more or less the same thing at
surveyed retailers.
Only jukebox play had the ability to be accurately tracked.
Edited by Hykker on 13 March 2015 at 7:30am
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Chatfan MA
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Thnx Paul and Hykker,
Then the formula was probably the same as with the TOP 100
... a combination of charts retail sales, sales in juke
box and airplay by djs
some evaluations I made for pleasure for the time when
there were these three charts and the TOP 100
simultaneously , the position in the TOP 100 was most
times identical with the average of positions for the same
title in all three charts.
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