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edtop40
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need the classes help on this one......do any of the cds
in the db contain the 45 version of the song......on my
vinyl 45 there is a piano tinkle near the fade out from
2:20 to 2:24 of the song which i cannot hear on any of the
cds i have.....even when i convert the file to mono i
cannot hear it....question is...do any of the cds contain
this piano tinkle during the outro?...
Edited by edtop40 on 04 January 2014 at 10:55am
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Ed:
I listened to a poor quality upload of the Lettermen's "When I Fall in Love" mono commercial 45 on YouTube, yet I can still clearly hear the prominent piano notes in the closing seconds that you reference. Now, I have the song in stereo on two Lettermen CDs and I actually do hear a piano toward the very end... However, it's very soft and almost completely buried in the mix compared to the 45. So I wonder if the lone mono CD entry of "When I Fall in Love" has the closing piano notes mixed up front like on the 45?
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i just sent you my vinyl 45 dub for your review and
reference....
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Thanks for sending the vinyl 45 dub, Ed... Upon closer comparison, I stand by my previous assessment that the piano is present in the stereo mix... It's just not as prominent as in the mono mix.
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Ed also sent me a dub of his 45. Very interesting
findings in addition to mixing differences.
The piano is clearly mixed louder in the mono 45, and is
heard clearly in the sustained ending note right up to
2:25. On the traditional stereo LP version, as Todd
points out, they mixed it down real low, to the point
where at about 2:20 it's so low as to be buried in the
mix.
Also on the 45, the vocals are mixed much lower, and have
noticeably more reverb than the LP.
There's a bigger difference though. I synchronized the 2
versions with the LP mix in one channel and the 45 in the
other. By doing that, i found out the 45 and LP are not
the same vocal take.
The only part of the vocal that matches perfectly is
between :42 - :49 "in a restless world like this is"..
that ONE line is spliced into the 45 from a different
take. All the rest of the 45 is NOT the LP take.
The different takes use the same backing music track.
There is no one part of the vocal that makes the
alternate take obvious, it's all incredibly similar, so I
only could notice this by synching them.
There is one more wrinkle: The song was remixed by Ron
Furmanek for the "Capitol Collector Series" CD. This
remix is still the LP take, but it's mixed to sound a bit
more like the 45; lower vocals in the mix and the piano
notes at the end are clearly audible right to the ending.
So there are 3 versions of this: the "45 version" (mono
only), the "LP version" which applies to all CD
appearances of the original stereo mix, and the "remix of
the LP version".
Hope that helps!!
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Extremely interesting "alternate vocal take" info there, Markie! Thanks for
both doing that detailed sonic evaluation, and for then sharing it. As a
result, I just pulled out my mono 45, and will ask/impose on my good
buddy Aaron to do one of his famous de-vinyls, whenever he gets a rare
spare moment!
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But who might have a mono copy of the parent album which I believe was titled "A Song For Young Love" that can add the details of what version appears on that mono album? Need to know this information so I can enter either "mono and stereo LP version" or "stereo LP version" comments in the database. I can tell you this, the lone mono version in the database on cd is not the 45 version.
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Would any of you folks be interested in this song
particularly if the mono single version was to be included
on a future Eric release? (or any release for that
matter?)
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Yes, please!
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Personally, I'm interested in ANY mono single versions,
including this one
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bitman wrote:
Personally, I'm interested in ANY mono single versions,
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Ditto.
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Put me down for a CD copy of the mono single version as
well.
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count me in as well, mark!
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as the bitman wrote....most DEFINITELY! ANY Top 40 song where we
discover a difference we all agree is worth noting as a difference deserves a
CD issue, IMHO.
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Personally, as a HUGE fan of the Lettermen, I'd love to
see a cd or 2-cd set of their mono single versions....I
doubt that would ever happen but I can dream...
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