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Posted: 07 March 2006 at 11:54am | IP Logged Quote edtop40
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the 45 of abacab runs 3:56 and is just an early fade of the mislabelled version from the hits cd which runs 4:09

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Posted: 07 March 2006 at 12:45pm | IP Logged Quote sriv94
So what you're saying is the Hits CD version is the 45 version but :13 longer? Weird, considering that the difference between the 45 and the LP is essentially at the end--the 45 edits back to a good chunk of the opening instrumental passage, while the LP continues with a much longer and entirely different ending.

Edited by sriv94 on 07 March 2006 at 12:48pm

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Posted: 07 March 2006 at 1:24pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40
yes.....you're correct......in other words the version from the cd "hits" is the same as the 45 version but 0:13 longer........so technically, as far as i'm concerned, it's not truely the 45 version on that cd....

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Posted: 14 May 2008 at 1:57pm | IP Logged Quote sriv94
Another question about the version of "Abacab" on Turn It On Again - The Hits--at about the (3:25) mark there's some sort of weird noise (something like a tape being eaten)--pretty sure that noise is not present on the Abacab LP/CD version. Was that noise on the 45 as well?

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Posted: 14 May 2008 at 7:15pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
I have a 3:56 version of "Abacab", which I presume originally came from the Turn It On Again collection. There does appear to be a glitch at the 3:25 point. Been so long, I musta faded the song to match the 45.
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 1:32pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40
i don't hear a glitch at 3:25, but there is a real bad edit at the 3:33 mark...










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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 2:21pm | IP Logged Quote sriv94
edtop40 wrote:
i don't hear a glitch at 3:25, but there is a real bad edit at the 3:33 mark...


Thanks to the dub Ed provided, it would appear the glitch on the CD is a bad mastering error--not part of the 45.

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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 7:53pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
That is weird. It sounds like the tape momentarily slipped. Are all CDs mastered with this tape glitch?
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 7:55pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
edtop40 wrote:
i don't hear a glitch at 3:25, but there is a real bad edit at the 3:33 mark...

Ed, I'm not hearing a bad edit at 3:33 on the CD. I think I have a dub of the 45 somewhere, so I'll check that copy to see if it's on there...
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 7:58pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
I was able to paste a section into the 45 version that doesn't have the glitch that the version from Turn It On Again - The Hits has.

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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 8:19pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
Was this from the vinyl or from CD?
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Posted: 17 May 2008 at 8:45pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
Doug sent me a good section, I presume from CD...perhaps from Abacab, I just pasted it in...

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Posted: 18 May 2008 at 7:24am | IP Logged Quote sriv94
The section I sent was indeed from the Abacab CD, although there was just an ever-so-slight difference in the mix that made it a little more difficult for me to smooth out the sound. John lowered the volume and made a real nice file out of it.

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Posted: 04 August 2008 at 8:41pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
To elaborate on Ed's initial comments that started this thread, the actual commercial 45 run time of Genesis' "Abacab" is 3:56, not 3:59 as stated on the record label. (Credit an assist to abagon here as well.)
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Here's what I've been able to discern about the 45 version. First, I have two pressings - one Canadian WLP, and one U.S. stock. The Canadian 45 features the same version as what's used on the Hits CD - LP pitch, and runs 4:11. I presume that is what was used as the international single version. The U.S. version was sped up .8%, and faded earlier - my copy runs 3:57. The U.S. 45 does sound different - maybe a little hotter on Phil's vocal - but I think it's due to a combination of eq and compression, and not necessarily a mix difference.

Believe it or not, the glitch at 3:25 has always been there - it's on the vinyl LP, the 45, and the CD versions I've heard. Up until the Hits CD, it's been virtually undetectable - but once you know where it is, you can absolutely hear it. My educated guess is that there's a splice on the tape at 3:24 right before "he's..". Based on how audible the glitch is on Hits (and that the single version had never appeared digitally until then), I'm guessing the tape had not been played since 1982 and that the splice has broken down over the years, causing the tape to violently jerk at 3:25 on "..where" when it peels off the reel. (And as noted earlier in the thread, the glitch can be removed using a less than :01 second paste from the LP version.)

If there is indeed a tape splice on the single master, however, what I can't explain is why the same glitch is also audible on the LP version in the same spot (again, albeit hardly noticeable, like on the original 45). I have a theory about that as well, but I won't postulate further unless I'm provoked. :)
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vinyljay69 wrote:
Here's what I've been able to discern about the 45
version. First, I have two pressings - one Canadian WLP, and one U.S. stock.
The Canadian 45 features the same version as what's used on the Hits CD - LP
pitch, and runs 4:11. I presume that is what was used as the international
single version. The U.S. version was sped up .8%, and faded earlier - my copy
runs 3:57. The U.S. 45 does sound different - maybe a little hotter on Phil's
vocal - but I think it's due to a combination of eq and compression, and not
necessarily a mix difference.

Believe it or not, the glitch at 3:25 has always been there - it's on the vinyl LP,
the 45, and the CD versions I've heard. Up until the Hits CD, it's been virtually
undetectable - but once you know where it is, you can absolutely hear it. My
educated guess is that there's a splice on the tape at 3:24 right before "he's..".
Based on how audible the glitch is on Hits (and that the single version had
never appeared digitally until then), I'm guessing the tape had not been played
since 1982 and that the splice has broken down over the years, causing the
tape to violently jerk at 3:25 on "..where" when it peels off the reel. (And as
noted earlier in the thread, the glitch can be removed using a less than :01
second paste from the LP version.)

If there is indeed a tape splice on the single master, however, what I can't
explain is why the same glitch is also audible on the LP version in the same
spot (again, albeit hardly noticeable, like on the original 45). I have a theory
about that as well, but I won't postulate further unless I'm provoked. :)


I'm provoking you :) Please elaborate.
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