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Pat, what's the difference between the LP and 45 versions of the Rolling Stones "Brown Sugar"?
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Well, the 45 is mono, for one thing. But those idiots at ABCKO did not use the mono mix for the CD singles box.
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Brian W. wrote:
| Well, the 45 is mono, for one thing. But those idiots at ABCKO did not use the mono mix for the CD singles box. |
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The 45 was pressed in both mono and stereo. Most U.S. copies were stereo. The mono mix is rare.
So, for practical purposes, the stereo mix IS the hit, and is the same as the LP.
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Grant wrote:
The mono mix is rare.
So, for practical purposes, the stereo mix IS the hit, and is the same as the LP. |
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Nope. From what I've read on the Steve Hoffman board, it's the stereo mix that is the rare one. Ed Bishop says he's yet to come across a stereo Brown Sugar from 1971. And my copy is mono. What is the catalog number on your single, Grant?
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Brian W. wrote:
Grant wrote:
The mono mix is rare.
So, for practical purposes, the stereo mix IS the hit, and is the same as the LP. |
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Nope. From what I've read on the Steve Hoffman board, it's the stereo mix that is the rare one. Ed Bishop says he's yet to come across a stereo Brown Sugar from 1971. And my copy is mono. What is the catalog number on your single, Grant? |
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Aw you're gonna make me dig it up? But my copy is stereo.
OK...I've got 45s all over the place. I'll be back...
BTW, funny thing about Ed, he always seems to have the opposite of what I have. Maybe it's an east coast-west coast thing. I'm out west, he's on the east coast.
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OK I found it. Seems my copy IS mono. But, I do remember how I got it. I looked for it in a Tucson record store, and when I was there, I saw tons of stereo copies. I specifically looked for a mono copy because I had read where Mick mixed down the chorus for radio. I recall seeing the copy I now have and a very beat-up 45 that were not marked stereo. But, the thing is, most copies were stereo, and I call the mono mix rare because it is not on CD.
As for the mix itself, I found NO difference between the stereo and mono. So, I still maintain that if yu have the stereo mix, you have the hit version.
The catalog number is: RS-19100
The numbers below the logo is: RS-21843 SP
The inner groove says: 21843-3 "Rolling Stones Records"
The time is 3:50
the B side is "Bitch".
This 45 is distributed by Atlantic Records. It is pressed on thin vinyl.
Hope this helps.
Edited by Grant on 24 February 2006 at 11:41pm
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Thanks, Grant.
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I'm with Ed on this, too. I was a DJ when Brown Sugar came out and it was my job to make sure all 45s we played were clean copies. The first promo 45 was mono as were all the stock 45s in the 70's that I handled. I've never seen a stereo 45 of that song.
Grant says his deadwax reads 21843-3 and mine reads 21843-5, indicating my 45 is a later pressing. So it would seem that from promo release up through at least the fifth pressing, all would have been mono. If there's a stereo issue, it must have come out much later.
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back to Pat, since the database indicates "LP version" for all stereo occurrences, then what is the difference between that and the mono 45, or is it just the mix (which I don't believe warrants the "LP version" tag according to our rules...)?
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Can't speak for the differences, but Pat did originally have "LP mix" next to "Brown Sugar" in his database (at least going back to the days of his T40MOCD 1955-1981 paperback).
I just aged myself. :-)
Edited by sriv94 on 25 February 2006 at 1:06pm
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The 45 version of "Brown Sugar" has 3 words after the music ends and those words are "I Like It" which you will not hear on the LP version of this song.
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The other difference is about 45 seconds into the song, there is a horn blast that "pops" up to the front of the mix on the mono 45, but is almost completely obscured on the stereo version.
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Reviving this thread, the words on my 45 after the ending drumbeat are "alright man!"
As a kid, and in another thread, I had thought this part was at the end of "Stay With Me" from Faces, but I was confused. Course, I was 12 in 1971 and early '72. :)
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John (eriejwg) was very kind to email me a dub of what his 45 sounds like. In addition to being a unique mono mix, the stereo version has a delay on the lead guitar in the right channel. The mono mix does not have any delay effects on the guitar, so there is more than just the ending that is different.
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My white label dj 45 is mono on one side (matrix #21843-4) and stereo on the other side (matrix #21843-1).
I am curious as to what others think is said after the closing drum beat on the 45. I listened again and to me it sounds like "I like it".
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Pat, does the stereo side of your promo 45 match the LP version? (delay on the lead guitar and no "I like it" at the end)
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I hear what sounds like the reverbed talkback from the control room to the studio that has one voice saying "I like it." The "I like" is reasonably clear, although the "it" is not. But the reverb lasts just long enough that the word "it" could be in there.
What makes that third word's possible presence hard to determine is that there is a dry drum beat and a single guitar note that come in at that exact moment, followed by a "yeahhhh," in a dry male voice that is different than the "talkback" voice.
Following that "yeahhhh," the guitar note is sustained, with what sounds like a female voice, low in the background. Hard to tell what's being said there.
My two mono commercial copies are sonically identical:
Plastic Products pressing, bought in 1971 when new.
Label matrix is RS-21843-PL; deadwax matrix is RS-21843-6.
Specialty Records pressing, acquired in 1977 from then-current warehouse stock. Label matrix is RS-21843 SP; deadwax matrix is RS-21843-3 (the same as Grant's copy from upthread.)
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Aaron, the stereo side of my dj 45 does match the album version.
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My copy of London/Abkco's 2-CD Hot Rocks 1964-1971 (1986, catalog numbers CD 606 and CD 607) has the stereo LP mix folded down to mono.
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