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the db lists the mono versions of this song as 'mono lp
mix'....what are the differences between the stereo, non
described versions and the mono lp mix?
Edited by edtop40 on 04 July 2014 at 9:24am
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The database notes that the mono issues are the mono LP mix in order to let readers know it's not the 45 rpm mono mix. I'd have to check to hear if the mono LP version is simply a fold down of the stereo LP version, I'm not sure. The 45 differs as there is extra reverb on the main vocals, plus it is a more agressive mix, the guitars are really cranked up right before the first vocal starts.
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Found this on a blog...
with another Top Ten hit (Nr 10) in 'Save It For Me' the
group had hit their 'Golden Era'. MONO and STEREO versions
tended to be similar/or the same mixes but Bob Crewe had a
habit of taking the MONO masters to Bell Studios after
completion and overdubbing or adding echo to get the radio
sound he needed. This would apply for the recordings in the
latter half of the 60s so checking the versions on CD and
vinyl is well worth the research.
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Keep in mind that on many 4 Seasons hits, the stereo version was a different take than the mono/45 version. Not sure if I have a mono LP of this particular song, but "Tell It To The Rain" and "Big Man In Town" are rather glaring examples of this.
How common were fold-downs in 1964? Since AM was king, one would think that it would be the stereo that was the afterthought, not the mono.
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Well, i can't debate the stereo / mono preference, since
we all have our favorite medium, and for sure mono/AM was
king at the time ..
but Hykker, i'm not so sure about "alternate takes" - my
mono 45 of "Big Man In Town" and the stereo mix are the
same take. In fact i can't really agree that "many" of
their hits are not the correct take in their LP
counterparts.
Of course some of the mixes are different, and there are
the 2 tracks famously missing their intros on the stereo.
For "Save It For Me" tho, i would be interested to hear
the mono 45, don't have that one. I only have the 2
different stereo mixes. MM
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Me too. I used to have "Tell It To the Rain" when I was a kid. There needs to be a 45s collection from the Four Seasons! I'd stand in line for that one!
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Well,
For those who may have missed it, there is an Ace CD that
features most of the bigger hits in their mono 45 mixes.
It was their CD re-iaaue of the 2 record set "Edizione
D'oro" in 1997.
It would not be in the database of course because it's an
import.
The original Philips 2-record set was all stereo, but
what Ace did since most of their hits were already
readily available in stereo, chose the mono single
masters except for the 5 tracks that had stereo mixes
unique to this album. Those are:
Save It For Me
Ain't That a Shame
Dawn (Go Away)
Girl Come Running
Let's Hang On
It was a single disc, so they ommitted 3 titles that were
in the original record set. Those are:
Tell It To The Rain
Watch The Flowers Grow
Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow
But, that leaves a hefty 21 tracks, which the notes
specify are the original VeeJay and Philips mono single
masters. Happy hunting.
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MMathews wrote:
| But, that leaves a hefty 21 tracks, which the notes specify are the original VeeJay and Philips mono single masters. |
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Just to clarify: For "Sherry," the Ace Edizione D'oro CD contains the mono LP mix from the Sherry LP (Vee-Jay 1053) rather than the single mix with unique reverb issued on the Vee-Jay 45 and mono copies of the Golden Hits Of The 4 Seasons LP (Vee-Jay 1065.)
As for "Save It For Me," the 1968 Edizione D'oro stereo mix found on the Ace CD features a single-tracked Frankie Valli lead vocal. On both the earlier 1964 stereo mix and the mono Philips 45, Frankie's lead vocal is double-tracked.
Another interesting thing is the coda on "Save It For Me," where Frankie channels Diane Renay before and into the fadeout. His soaring vocals are comparatively buried in the mono mix and are just a tad less-so if you fold the Edizione D'oro mix to mono. They're more prominent on the 1964 stereo mix, even when folded to mono.
That coda, in one form or another, seemed to be a favorite end-of-song device for Bob Crewe, beginning with "Navy Blue," then becoming further refined on both the intro and coda of "Kiss Me, Sailor," and THEN being lifted pretty much intact for "Save It For Me" a few months later. Bo Gentry paid homage to the master in 1969, utilizing the same coda to usher out the ending of Tony Orlando/Wind's "Make Believe" in style.
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Another interesting difference to note about the 1968
stereo mix of "Save It For Me" is the keyboard solo
(organ, synth, clavioline, not sure what it is) is
different from the 45 or '64 stereo mix. It is much
lower key on this one.
Yah Shure, thanks for tip about Sherry! didn't now that.
You, know, when i discovered 4 Seasons as a kid
(coincidentally because my Mother had just got the
Edizione D'oro set!) that "soaring coda" as you describe
it, was a feature I found incredibly awesome, almost
"mystical" sound.
And, you can laugh, as a kid i had no concept of "double
tracking" - i thought that effect was a magical thing
that singers could do with their voice! LOL.
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i go back to my original question regarding 'save it for
me'.....i just compared my vinyl 45 to the mono mix on
the
'jersey beat' box set and they sound identical to
me......i
did convert the stereo version to mono from the
'anthology'
cd and that has less reverb on it when converted....but
the
'jersey beat' mono version sounds spot on, unless someone
can point to the exact spot in the song where the alleged
differences are....i contend that the 'jersey beat' box
set
version is not only the 'mono lp mix' as identified in
the
db, but also the vinyl 45 version.....in addition the
songs length is actually 2:37 NOT 2:35....you'll need to
pitch down the 'jersey beat' box set version by 0:02 to
get the proper 45 speed and thus length....this 45 run
time s/b added to the db...
Edited by edtop40 on 05 July 2014 at 9:09am
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There could be two single mixes, like "C'Mon Marianne", or Jersey Boys could have been changed since I got it, but my stock mono 45 of "Save it For Me" clearly boosts the guitar way up at :17 (which gives it a much punchier intro).
The version on my Jersey Boys release matches my mono LP mix, where the guitar kind of lays in the back a bit.
Also on the fade out, the drums are cranked up on my 45, probably to punch up the ending, but they are not boosted on my mono LP or my Jersey Boys mix.
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