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Not sure if anyone can help on this one, but i accidentally noticed something about this song. I have it on 2 of the Cd's listed in the database.
-EMI "Lost hits Of The 60's"
-Rhino's "Elvira Presents Haunted Hits"
I just noticed that while both copies are the same original Hi recording, and both are mono, one has a second vocal/harmony overdub during the part "yes i will be here when the morning comes...."
The one on the Rhino CD has just his one vocal track all the way through.
Anyone know which version might have been the correct 45 version?
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I have a 1968 Hi Records comp LP and Haunted House has only one vocal track, no overdubs. The track runs 2:32 and the partly incomprehensible line you refer to begins at 2:21.
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My Hi 45 has the overdubbed vocal.
I wish I could find my copy of the 2 cd set, Haunted House: The Complete Jumpin' Gene Simmons on Hi, as it has the song Haunted House twice. I never paid notice to which version was on either, but one disc was for the Haunted House album and the other for single cuts...perhaps there is an album vs 45 variation here. The cd with the Haunted House lp tracks also had other non lp tracks on it as well.
Edited by TomDiehl1 on 13 July 2010 at 8:19pm
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I need to just open my eyes some, I guess....the 2 cd Jumpin' Gene Simmons set was sitting right in front of me on the top shelf of my computer desk. CD 1 is listed as the Hi Singles A's and B's. Haunted House on this cd has the vocal overdub. The second cd is listed as the Jumpin' Gene Simmons Album plus bonus tracks. This version also has the overdubbed vocal (but I don't own the original LP so I cannot comment on what it had... I do have a mini EP made for jukeboxes from the album but it may be a while before I uncover it...i do remember the song is in electronic stereo on the EP though but I don't recall anything else about it).
Sidebar: this is an excellent 2 CD overview of Gene's career... however it doesn't have too many standout tracks (but it has a couple that are just killer) and the sound could have been very much improved -- lots of very noisy disc dubs on the obscure singles and some of the unreleased sides, I assume most of the early Hi tapes (pre-HH) must be gone. I keep hoping to find a decent sounding copy of Gene's "No Other Guy" on cd that isn't mastered from a very scratchy 45.
Edited by TomDiehl1 on 14 July 2010 at 4:09am
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Both of my stock Hi 45s also have the harmony overdub on the two choruses.
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Okay I found my Jukebox mini-LP for the Haunted House album....if anyone has the full 12" vinyl lp could you please check it?
On the surface, it seems like what we may have is an LP vs 45 distinction, as this mini-LP is MISSING the overdubbed vocals...
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Oh, i almost forgot about this one!
Yeah, i agree, seems like the LP version had a single tracked vocal and the 45 has the overdub. I guess they decided it needed that extra vocal overdub to make those parts sound more like a "chorus".
thanks for all the great info, guys!
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Curious... I just discovered while most of my versions of this song start "Just moved..." I have one from this CD
100 Hits: Halloween
...that has both the vocal harmony overdubs mentioned above but, more surprisingly (at least to me) starts out:
"I just moved..."
They APPEAR to be the same take (although the "I just..." version with the overdubs is brighter).
I don't see specified in the database: did the single start out "I" and the album version start out "Just," or is this a mastering error on some of the CDs?
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I think i also have a cd where the opening line is
"clipped" and missing the "I".
There's one more thing about the assorted versions of this
song. Years ago, someone sent me an mp3 of a true stereo
version, that was extremely close to the original. It had
vinyl surface noise. when i a/b'd it of course, i could
tell it was not the hit recording, but a very close copy.
My assumption was it was done over for a stereo Hi LP, (as
most Hi stereo is) .. i just don't know which album it was
done for. I no longer have the mp3 tho.
MM
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Mark.
I have a stereo Jukebox mini lp Haunted House is the single track vocal, and it starts with the word "I" it is not rechanneled but not really stereo, it has a panning affect which is really weird.
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Hi Bondy,
the disc dub i heard was the one that has the panning
effect. That's also the original recording but they did
the panning effect as a type of re-channeling.
The one i heard was definitely a very similar re-
recording, but true stereo with no panning effects.
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My Hi Original single has the overdub. My wife's UK London Mono LP does not. My Eric Records reissue single also does not.
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tok me awhile to get to this.
Awhile back Bondy kindly sent me a dub from his mini-LP.
It is indeed true stereo, but we must call it
"technically" true.
We'll never know what the engineer was thinking. during
the first 30 secs or so, the vocal is dead center, and
the backing track is moved to the right. As it continues,
the engineer plays with panning the backing to the
center. On certain beats, he pans it a little to the
left, but then back to center. The second half of the
song is essentially mono because the 2 tracks are both
dead center. Very odd!
I previously heard this mix, but mistakenly thought it
was re-channeled.
This mix appears on Elvira's Haunted Hits, but they
narrowed the channels together so it's basically mono
unless you have software to massively widen the channels.
I widened it out once because i could just make out the
slight pan to the left they did on certain beats.
Again, very odd!
So, to once again summarize, with the help of everyone's
assorted copies - it appears LP version, and stereo mini-
LP version all do not contain the harmony overdub, and
the original hit 45 version does have it.
MM
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I hate to confuse matters here but my vinyl 45 matrix number Hi 2377-2 does not have double tracked vocals from :58 to 1:01.
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Pat can you send me a dub of your vinyl 45? Also does your 45 give the artist credit as Gene Simmons or Jumpin' Gene Simmons?
I have vinyl and styrene promotional copies of the 45, both of which credit the artist simply as Gene Simmons (as all of his previous Hi 45s did, leading me to believe these each came before any "Jumpin' Gene Simmons" pressings). The styrene copy has a matrix of Hi-2377-1C and has a TI or T1 on the other side of the deadwax, and my vinyl copy has a matrix of Hi-2377-1B with no other deadwax markings. Both pressings have the overdubbed vocals everywhere in the song that they're supposed to be, and seem to run fairly in sync with each other with an identical fade out, but the vinyl 45 is mastered louder. They both have a listed time of (2:31) but an actual time of (2:29).
Mark, I dug my mini LP out of storage to give it a closer listen and after widening the track I can absolutely hear what you hear. What a strange thing to do to the track.
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My copy states Jumpin' Gene Simmons and since my matrix number ends in -2 this makes sense that your copy would state just Gene Simmons and would have the overdubbed vocals so there really are two different pressings of this 45.
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Thank you to Pat Downey for providing a label scan to me
of his 45... his pressing has a 5N prefix on the disc
before the catalog number, making it a pressing from
1974 or later (London added the 5N prefix to their
labels in early 1974). Needless to say, I did not find
another copy of the disc with that prefix on ebay, so I
suspect it's rather rare...but in this case, it would be
comparable to my Brenton Wood reissue on Double Shot
with the original release #, but the disc being
stereo...so as far as I know, all original 1964
pressings contain the version with the overdubbed vocal.
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I note that on the excellent Hit Parade Records 45 version
in stereo, Pat has added "but with extra reverb." Listening
to an old mono CD and comparing it to the new stereo I do
indeed hear some quick reverb at times on the guitar not on
the mono version. I hear it on the other side from the main
guitar in the mix (on my stereo, the reverb is on the right
channel and guitar in the left). If that is correct, how
can a digital extraction add reverb if it's not on the
original 45 or tape? For that matter I don't really
understand "digitally extract" - do you use record or tape
or both? Just curious about the process thanks. By the way,
I assume that the stereo LP also doesn't have this reverb?
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Hi Rockdent, you are correct that creating a digitally extracted stereo mix should not add anything new. That said, I suppose it is possible to change the levels of the different instrumentation, vocals, reverb, etc., after they have been digitally extracted. It's also possible just to add reverb using audio editing software.
Although I haven't used it, I'm completely fascinated by what Sony Spectral Layers (and other similar software) can do. In a nutshell, the software allows the user to pick out certain things within the audio frequency spectrum and isolate those elements. I'm sure it takes a special skill and a lot of time to master the software and to be able to create DES mixes that sound good.
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Thank you Aaron. One more question then, does that mean
that anything recorded in mono can now be made stereo or are
there limits?
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