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Pat,
For your listing for the Jelly Beans, you reference that some
versions have handclaps overdubbed (the mono versions) and some
(I assume) without handclaps (the stereo versions). Which one is the
single version?
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I'm not Pat but I'd say it's a pretty good bet the mono version with handclaps is the single version, given that the vast majority of 45s released in the mid-'60s were still being mixed in mono.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 12 October 2005 at 8:40pm
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As it turns out, my vinyl 45 does not have the handclaps. It is entirely possible that there were two different pressings of the 45 but as I say mine does not have the handclaps.
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Well, I guess it's a good thing I didn't put any money down on my "pretty good bet"!
Pat, is your vinyl 45 in mono? If so, it's odd to me that the overdubbed handclaps show up on all mono CD appearances but not on the original mono 45... unless of course there's another 45 pressing, as you suggest.
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Yes, my 45 is mono.
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I just came across this thread and was wondering if anyone ever came across a mono 45 with the handclaps? Could we be talking about a unique mono LP mix here (with handclaps)?
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I never even knew there was a stereo version of this. Every compilation I've ever come across with this song has it in badly done (E) that phase cancels in mono.
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To 'Ringmaster_D':
I am not 100% sure on this, but I *believe* the first issuance of the electronic-stereo-with-added-stereo-handclaps version was on the various artists LP 'Incense & Oldies'. I don't believe there was a contemporaneous single or album release with handclaps.
The first "real stereo" version was that excellent Taragon package 'The Very Best Of Red Bird & Blue Cat Records'.
To the more well-informed people out there, please correct me in this thread if I'm wrong!!
Thanks,
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Hi Andy,
Actually, my question was around the mono version with handclaps. It doesn't surprise me that the mono and stereo versions vary, but it's unusual for recordings of this vintage to have two distinct mono mixes. Pat confirmed that his mono 45 lacks handclaps, so I was wondering if anyone came across a mono 45 with handclaps in their collection. It's amazing what people on this board dig up!
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To Dave:
What I neglected to point out is that I *believe* that the mono versions with handclaps on CD were once a dub from that 'Incense & Oldies' comp, mono'd out...
Andy
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Thanks Andy. That would make sense.
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I think the hand claps were added AFTER the "exclusive" rights to the Red Bird masters (including the Shangra-las masters which had already been sold to Mercury) were sold by George Goldner to a couple of labels including Musicor. An off key piano was added to "People Say" by the Dixie Cups too, these additional instruments and hand claps might have been added by Musicor. I don't believe there was a hand claps version released on Red Bird on the Jelly Beans track, but I could be wrong.
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frank was kind enough to send me two stereo files without
the hand-clap overdubs and after comparing them to my
vinyl 45 they are the same, kind of.....first, you'll need
to edit off the first 1.4 seconds of the intro and start
to song on the downbeat after the intro....then you'll
need to fade for 0:14 from 2:29 to 2:43.....the actual
vinyl 45 runs 2:43 even though the label says 2:40...this
45 run time info s/b added to the db.....if anyone needs a
copy of my re-creation, please send me an email or
pm....THANKS, FRANK
Edited by edtop40 on 12 March 2014 at 3:56pm
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Always happy to help, Ed. And my question to you is answered here already. :)
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I note that the info supplied by Ed in 2014 is not
indicated in the database. If I may elaborate, the only
CD with a stereo version I have is Taragon's Very
Best Of Red Bird/Blue Cat Records. This version
starts with the group's male member, Charles Thomas,
singing "Poom-poom, poom-poom, poom-poom". (The music
starts during the final 'poom'). The first two 'Poom-
poom's are not on the 45, on which there is only the
final 'Poom-poom'.
Edited by Paul C on 23 June 2020 at 8:06am
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