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Pat Downey
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Could anyone that has the vinyl "Brothers And Sisters" LP please time "Ramblin' Man"? I come up with a running time of (4:55) but the cd issue of this album for this song runs about :09 shorter even on the remastered edition. My speed comments in the database are based currently on the cd issue of "Brothers And Sisters" and I now question the validity of those comments.
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My mother owns an original Capricorn label gatefold pressing of the album while I myself own a Polydor non-gatefold reissue. I will see if i can locate both of them tomorrow and time them after work.
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Both of my LP pressings (Capricorn and Polydor) run to 4:55. the Polydor pressing lists on the back cover that it was remixed, though i couldn't tell any difference between the two pressings, except the Polydor pressing is actually quite a bit louder.
The one cd version that I have does run about 9 seconds shorter but is absolutely sped up compared to the LP, and does not fade the song at an earlier point.
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I don't have the means to synch it with my Capricorn 45 or LP, but slowing the too-fast version by -3.152% in Audacity works for me.
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I just discovered this discrepancy myself. Every Allman Brothers' disc
that's been released recently features the wrong version of "Ramblin'
Man" - even the Deluxe Edition of Brothers & Sisters. it's sped WAY up.
Even a casual listen should be able to spot this.
I'm floored by the lack of attention to detail. Or maybe I'm not.
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I believe that the vinyl LP version was always sped up compared to the single, but in the CD era I've always suspected that
they used a misfiled master, the tape box probably said "speed up by whatever percent".. but the tape in the box was the
already sped up master.. so it got sped up twice. That's the only explanation that I can think of. I brought it up to one of
the mastering folks at MCA years ago and the response to me was that the CD version was "the correct presentation". There's no
way that's the correct presentation.
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I remember in 1989 when the Allman Brothers Band CD boxset 'Dreams' came out it was the first time I heard the sped-up "Ramblin' Man" on any record or CD. The set was mastered so well I decided to phone Polygram Studios in Edison, New Jersey to see if maybe Dennis Drake could explain why "Ramblin' Man" ran so fast. I received a callback from, I believe, compilation producer Bill Levenson explaining this set was the first time the correct recorded speed had actually been released!
Could anyone out there confirm if the 'Dreams' version is in an exact key? Dickey Betts sounds like he's on helium to me on this dub.
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Now that you mention it Andrew maybe the LP WASN'T Sped up from the single. I don't have the LP anymore so I think I'm mixing it up with some CD releases, most of which are sped up compared to the original vinyl release. I basically got the same response that you did, that the CD was the correct presentation. Sounds fast enough to me to think that David Seville was involved.. : )
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Yeah, my old gatefold vinyl times in at 4:56 (even if it's labeled 4:47) and I'm sure it's close in pitch to the 45. I don't have the original 45 to compare the pitch to because I waited a week or so until the album came out to buy the LP because the single was so strong!
Remember those days...
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At this point, my only concern is what the 45 is. If the
45 is slower, that's what I go with. The record company
may claim the faster pitch is correct, but it sounds
sped-up. It is my belief that record labels don't really
pay much attention to what the single was like when doing
compilations. They don't even compare the pressings.
They just go by what's written on the tape box.
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