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The printed and actual commercial 45 run time for Fleetwood Mac's "Sara" is 4:37. (This info comes courtesy of my good friend Jim a.k.a. "jimct".) The reason I post this information is because the two CDs in the database containing the 45 version only run 4:34.
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paul/aaron/john.....is it possible to tack on the last 0:03 of the 6:21 full length cd/lp version to the 4:34 45 version and effectively re-create the true vinyl 4:37 45 version??...i just sent u 3 the 3 versions for your review.....thx edtop40
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Seems pretty seamless. Check your Pando.
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I've never owned this song's original parent album, Tusk, on CD. According to the on-line database, original CD pressings of Tusk on Warner Bros. 3350 substituted the shorter (4:34) 45 version of "Sara" in place of the (6:28) LP version that was on the LP/cassette/8-track. I assume this was done in order to cram the entire 2-LP set onto just one 80-minute CD??? (Actually, if the timings given on Discogs are accurate, that would've made the CD only 73 minutes in length, so there still should've been enough room left for the LP version, which would've added less than two minutes more.) Or were there second (later) pressings of the LP & cassette that made the same switch, so when Warner Bros. put out the CD, they were simply duplicating those formats???
Also, is the 45 version an edit or remix of the LP version??? Or perhaps this is even one of those examples where Pat uses the "version" designator in the database even though it's actually just an early fade, like w/ "Owner of a Lonely Heart", "Slow Ride", "Heaven Must Be Missing an Angel", etc. (as aaronk pointed out he sometimes does)??? No need for a complete dissection, though... :-)
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The 45 is not a fade, it is an edit--although I'm not sure how seamless it is (it sounds like there was some sort of trickeration to accomplish it, like
maybe editing off the downbeat instead of on it or something like that).
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80smusicfreak wrote:
I assume this was done in order to
cram the entire 2-LP set onto just one 80-minute CD???
(Actually, if the timings given on Discogs are accurate,
that would've made the CD only 73 minutes in length, so
there still should've been enough room left for the LP
version, which would've added less than two minutes
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For most of the 1980s, CDs were limited to 74 minutes,
following the original spec. Better technology allowed
discs to approach 80 minutes, at least by the early '90s.
I remember being surprised that Michael Jackson's
Dangerous (1991) ran close to 80 minutes. Was this the
first to push the limits?
Edited by eric_a on 30 September 2014 at 8:17pm
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sriv94 wrote:
| The 45 is not a fade, it is an edit--although I'm not sure how seamless it is (it sounds like there was some sort of trickeration to accomplish it, like maybe editing off the downbeat instead of on it or something like that). |
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Thanks for the assist, sriv94!
eric_a wrote:
| For most of the 1980s, CDs were limited to 74 minutes, following the original spec. Better technology allowed discs to approach 80 minutes, at least by the early '90s. I remember being surprised that Michael Jackson's Dangerous (1991) ran close to 80 minutes. Was this the first to push the limits? |
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Yes, I've always known there was a change in spec at some point, but not sure exactly when. However, you'd think when that change occurred, Warner Bros. would've re-done this CD, considering the multi-platinum status of the act in question - just as they did for the CD of Prince's 1999 (another 2-LP set that initially had space issues when first released on a single CD back in the '80s)...
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