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Todd Ireland
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According to the database, CD run times for Destiny's Child's "Survivor" range all over the place from 3:48 to 4:13. We know the CD/LP version runs 4:13, but where do the shorter versions/lengths come from? I think there may have been a commercial maxi-CD single release for the song but, if my memory serves me, it consisted of a bunch of remixes. Does a regular domestic commercial single release exist? Also, does anyone have a promo CD single release who can pass along the disc's contents?
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Hmm, I don't recall anything but a maxi-single in the U.S., either.
But there was a U.S. 45. It lists the A-side as (apparently) the album version, running 4:14, with the B-side being a remix featuring Da Brat, running a listed 4:24:
Edited by Brian W. on 19 June 2008 at 2:06am
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Todd, my copy is from RPM Top Hits U.S.A. It is non-descriptive, runs 4:00 and ends with a vocal cold.
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I believe this is one of several tracks that was edited specifically for Destiny's Child #1's compilation.
It's possible the shorter run time originates from that release.
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The song runs 3:48 on two CDs and yet runs 3:59-4:00 on a couple of other discs. Are these shorter lengths the result of early fades? Edits? Different mixes?
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If it helps, the digital copy on Napster is labeled as the #1's Edit and runs 3:48. I think Underground Dub may be on to something regarding special edits for that CD.
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My U.S. promo CD has the following tracks (all times are stated times):
1. Album Version (4:01)
2. Instrumental (3:56)
3. A Cappella (3:37)
The first track runs 4:00 and is as eriejwg describes. It is clearly not the "Album Version" as claimed, since according to the database the song runs 4:13 on the Survivor CD. The album was not actually released until May 2001, two months after the song debuted on the Billboard Hot 100.
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Thanks, Paul, John, and Dub for your input. On the surface, it looks like CD appearances running 4:13 consist of the 45 and LP version/length, while CDs with a 3:59-4:00 run time feature the DJ edit (or DJ length if it's an early fade of the 4:13 length... I don't have the latter to compare). This all still needs to be 100% verified, however. And unless there's evidence to the contrary, a "neither the 45 nor LP version" notation should accompany CDs containing the 3:48 version.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 21 June 2008 at 10:08am
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Tood, ealier in this thread Brian kindly provided us with a scan of his listed (4:14) U.S. commercial 45, so shouldn't we use that as the official "45 baseline", my friend?
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Yes, Jim, I do agree that the vinyl 45 release should count as a "45 version" even though vinyl 45s were selling in such miniscule numbers in 2001 when "Survivor" was a hit.
I've gone back and revised the comments of my previous post accordingly.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 21 June 2008 at 10:09am
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jimct wrote:
| Tood, ealier in this thread Brian kindly provided us with a scan of his listed (4:14) U.S. commercial 45, so shouldn't we use that as the official "45 baseline", my friend? |
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It's unfortunately isn't mine, just a photo I took from Ebay, which is why I didn't provide the actual running time.
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Just bumping this back up... Does anyone have the actual commercial 45 run time for Destiny's Child's "Survivor"?
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Just did a needle drop on the 45 (first time I've played it, actually). It timed out to 4:00, not the listed 4:14.
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Thanks very much, cmmmbase!
So assuming the 4:00 version of "Survivor" I have on my Promo Only: Mainstream Radio DJ CD subscription series is the same as the commercial 45 release, I compared it to the 4:13 LP version and found a couple of differences. On the single version, the opening cymbal roll fade-in is slightly longer (by about 0.5 seconds) and sounds noticeably different than on the album version. The rest of the two recordings are identical up to the 4:00 mark where the vocals end cold and this is where the single version officially ends. However, at this point on the album version, there is less than :01 of silence proceeded by a final :12 of audio which sounds nothing like the rest of the song. The (silly) lyrics during this passage are:
I will survive being fine
I will survive being sexy
I will survive being BOOTYLICIOUS
In conclusion, "45 version" and "LP version" comments for "Surivior" will need to be added next to database CDs where appropriate. Meanwhile, I agree with Underground Dub that the 3:48 version that has surfaced on CD appears to have been edited specifically for Destiny's Child's #1s CD and therefore probably should have a "neither the 45 nor LP version" comment.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 17 December 2011 at 11:45pm
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