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Tonight, I finally had the chance to listen to the second CD appearances of "Black Cat" side by side. The most obvious differences are that:
o The track on "Design Of A Decade" starts with the drum kick and cowbells, and Janet counts "1,2,3,4" before the guitar begins. This ends cold.
o The track on "Rhythm Nation 1814" starts with the snarling cat, and ends with a fade.
So, which is the hit version? I had the cassette single when this was new, and I remember it had two versions, one featuring, IIRC, Vernon Reid on guitar? With a cursory listen, I don't hear a difference in the guitar solos between these two cuts. Can anyone recall the story?
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eric_a wrote:
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Hmmm, perhaps neither of those versions is the hit version. My TM Century disc has a 4 1/2 minute version that starts with the drums and ends cold, but it's about 16 seconds shorter than what's on Design.
Although the TM disc does not describe the version, my 12" copy has a mix called "Video Mix/Short Solo" with a printed time of 4:31. If it will help at all, I can break open the seal on my 12" copy and listen to it, but I'd be willing to bet it's the same as the TM disc.
What's most interesting is that the two discs in the database are different versions, but neither one has a notation. Looks like we'll need some more investigative work on this one...
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Brian W.
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The version on "Design of a Decade" sounds like the Video Mix/Short Solo, which was the A-side of the single. The B-side was another mix called simply "Featuring Vernon Reid."
The Video Mix/Short Solo was also used for the video, obviously. I would consider that to be the hit mix. It is certainly the 45 version.
Edited by Brian W. on 26 September 2007 at 4:34am
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My promo CD single for this (A&M 75021 7972 2) has a whopping nine versions. The first four versions are under the heading, "Black Cat" (Rock Mixes), while versions 5 through 9 are under the heading, "Black Cat" (Funky Mixes). Here are the details:
Janet Jackson-"Black Cat" (Rock Mixes)
1-Video Mix/Short Solo (listed 4:31; actual 4:30)
2-Video Mix/Long Solo (listed 4:48); actual 4:47)
3-LP Version (listed and actual 4:29)
4-Featuring Vernon Reid (listed 4:48; actual 4:47)
Janet Jackson-"Black Cat" (Funky Mixes)
5-"3 Snaps Up" 7" (listed 4:24; actual 4:23)
6-Funky 7" (listed and actual 4:41)
7-"3 Snaps Up" 12" (listed 7:31; actual 7:30)
8-Funky 12" (listed 5:44; actual 5:43)
9-"3 Snaps Up" Dub (listed 6:12; actual 6:11)
Edited by jimct on 26 September 2007 at 6:14am
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Looks like Design of a Decade has the "Video Mix/Long Solo." Brian, did the video and/or 45 use the short or long solo version? Do you know what the difference is between the A & B side mixes of the single?
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Perhaps Edtop40 can enter into the discussion and tell us which version appears on the cassette single.
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Brian W.
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aaronk wrote:
| Looks like Design of a Decade has the "Video Mix/Long Solo." Brian, did the video and/or 45 use the short or long solo version? Do you know what the difference is between the A & B side mixes of the single? |
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The cassette single actually says "Short Solo," though I've never timed it. This is also the leadoff track on the domestic CD Maxi Single. I had never heard the "Long Solo" until I bought the Japanese maxi, which has every version on it. (I knew I should have looked up the running time on the domestic "Design of a Decade" CD.)
Edited by Brian W. on 26 September 2007 at 2:04pm
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Pat Downey wrote:
| Perhaps Edtop40 can enter into the discussion and tell us which version appears on the cassette single. |
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Has anyone heard from Ed lately? It's been a while since he's posted here.
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guys....sorry for the delinquency....been having family issues which are ongoing....i hope to be back in full force on the site soon....the cassingle format of the janet jackson song "black cat" issued as A&M 1477, is titled "video mix/short solo" and runs 4:31...if anyone needs an actual copy of the version dubbed from the cassingle i've just received my brand spankin' new tascam cdrw900sl (professional grade).....i'm still working out the kinks but i can now send cassette and vinyl versions again.....my old 9 year old tascam was retired.....actually i banged into the cd tray and it wouldn't close.....so i bought a new one.....edtop40 is doin' just fine.....
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Good to see you back on the message board, Ed!
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Ditto, you've been missed, Ed!
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Brian W.
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Triple that, Ed... glad you're back.
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Quadruple that!
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I have the commercial red-label 45 (A&M 75021 1477 7, 1989).
The A-side is "Video Mix/Short Solo" (printed and actual 4:31), which is track 1 of the promo CD single.
The B-side is "Featuring Vernon Reid" (printed 4:48, actual 4:47), which is track 4 of the promo CD single.
Both A- and B-sides of the 45 are radically different mixes from the LP version. Both use a live drummer, for starters, and omit the "grrrrr" opening sound effect from the LP version.
The Design Of A Decade disc is the same as track 2 from the promo CD single, the "Video Mix/Long Solo", running 4:48. This version can be easily edited to match the 45:
Keep 0:00.0-3:04.9.
Edit on downbeat.
Remove the 32 beats from 3:04.9-3:21.6.
Keep 3:21.6-4:48.3 (end).
Much as I don't like the mastering on Design due to maximization and all that, it still sounds cleaner than my near-mint 45, which is horribly distorted, most likely in an attempt to sound "loud".
Edited by crapfromthepast on 16 December 2007 at 6:03pm
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as some may have gathered i've been recently reviewing janet jackson massive top 40 catalog and come across something unusual....i don't have that many promo cd singles, like jim, but i may have one that jim does not......i have a usa promo cd single for the song "black cat" issued as a&m 75021-2343-2 and contains the below 6 tracks
1-funky 12" (5:44)
2-funky 7" (4:41)
3-video mix/short solo (4:31)
4-'3 snaps up' 12" (7:31)
5-'3 snaps up' 7" (4:24)
6-'3 snaps up' dub (6:12)
track 3 is the cassingle version.....
i also have the german import cd single issued as a&m 390-572-2 which contains the below 3 tracks
1-black cat (no description)
2-the 1814 megamix (full version)
(alright, escapade, rhythm nation, miss you much)
3-black cat ('3 snaps up'-12" mix)
Edited by edtop40 on 27 September 2010 at 8:02pm
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