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Posted: 15 September 2022 at 3:43am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

We are proud to introduce our very first all-new publication since the passing of Joel Whitburn:

The Gavin Report 1958-2000

Order now and save $15!
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Fab news Paul, eye can't wait !! Makes a great Christmas present to myself, ha...
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RoknRobnLoxley wrote:
Fab news Paul, eye can't wait !! Makes a great Christmas present to myself, ha...


+1 on that!!
Of the non-Billboard chart books, this one interests me the most. In its day (50s thru early 70s) the Gavin Report was a respected chart, especially when
it came to what got played in markets outside the top 20 or so. Unfortunately, as time went on they opened reporting status to pretty much anyone who
could afford the subscription and by the late 80s or so had become almost irrelvant.
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Does anyone know of a source for the pre–Gavin Report Lucky
Lager Dance Time weekly charts? I have a couple from KNBR
and a couple of other places, but they seem pretty rare.
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Posted: 15 September 2022 at 5:40pm | IP Logged Quote Chartman

Paul Haney wrote:
We are proud to introduce our very
first all-new publication since the passing of Joel
Whitburn:

report-1958-2000/">The Gavin Report 1958-2000

Order now and save $15!


Just out of curiosity, were you able to obtain a copy of
every chart during those 43 years? These seem more
difficult to find than Music Vendor charts and I know you
didn’t have all of those charts for those books.

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Posted: 16 September 2022 at 2:38am | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

Already pre-ordered!
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Posted: 16 September 2022 at 3:11am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

C J Brown wrote:
Does anyone know of a source for the pre–Gavin Report Lucky
Lager Dance Time weekly charts? I have a couple from KNBR and a couple of other places, but
they seem pretty rare.


I'd love to know this too!
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Posted: 16 September 2022 at 3:14am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Chartman wrote:
Just out of curiosity, were you able to
obtain a copy of every chart during those 43 years? These
seem more difficult to find than Music Vendor charts and I
know you didn’t have all of those charts for those books.


We have a complete collection from March 1981 until the
end. For the charts prior to 1981, the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame has a near-complete collection and a couple of
private collectors stepped up with a few that the Hall of
Fame was missing. But overall, yes they are tough to find
these days!
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Posted: 16 September 2022 at 12:27pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

So interesting to see in the sample pages the Beatles album tracks that were big airplay hits -- Michelle and Till There Was You. I raise an eyebrow at "All My Loving" being #1,
because I would think it would have charted a lot higher on the Hot 100 if the airplay was that high.

But I did find an old thread on the Steve Hoffman board on this topic, with several people, including Steve, recalling that Beatles album tracks got played on Top 40 radio a lot.
One person recalled "Michelle" being played so much on his local Top 40 station that he assumed it was the follow-up single to "Nowhere Man."


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Posted: 16 September 2022 at 1:06pm | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Yes, I also found some of the peak positions to be a bit strange too, but we just report what was published. The
week "All My Loving" was listed at #1, Gavin showed the entire Top 10 as Beatles songs!

I hope you also noticed the lines I put under The Beatles artist heading about Gavin showing "The Beatles" as #1
for a few weeks, showing just how red-hot they were in early 1964!

Because Gavin was pretty much a "one-man show" back then, he does have some quirky chart listings.
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Posted: 16 September 2022 at 3:44pm | IP Logged Quote C J Brown

While "All My Loving" got tons of airplay back then I think
sales may have been hindered by being a Capitol Canada
release here in the USA. Availability may have been limited
in the USA due to this.
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Piers Hemmingsen estimates in The Beatles In Canada -
The Origins Of Beatlemania!
that Capitol of Canada
exported approximately 350,000 copies of the "All My
Loving"/"This Boy" single to American distributors.
Capitol of Canada reported to EMI in the UK that the
single had sold 208,251 copies in Canada (whose
population at the time was less than 20 million.) By
comparison, "Can't Buy Me Love" had sold only 91,369.

My guess as to why the song did not chart higher on the
Hot 100 is that many US radio stations and retailers
likely did not include the single in the data they
reported to the trades, because not only was Capitol US
not promoting the song at all, they were none too pleased
with Capitol of Canada's practice of releasing its own
Beatles records. By mid-spring of 1964, Capitol US
demanded that Capitol of Canada replace its versions of
the Beatles albums with the American versions and only
release Beatles records identical to the US releases.
(The Canadian Beatles records were subsequently deleted,
although a few years later Capitol of Canada quietly
added them back to their catalogue.)

Capitol of Canada released the "All My Loving"/"This Boy"
single on March 9, 1964, after The Beatles had performed
both songs on The Ed Sullivan Show. It is the same
reason that Vee-Jay had issued "Twist And Shout" as a
single on its Tollie label on March 2. Capitol of Canada
would follow Vee-Jay's example and issue a "Twist And
Shout"/"There's A Place" single on March 16. It would
sell 97,405 copies.
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Posted: 18 September 2022 at 5:03am | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi

Please keep in mind that "All My Loving" was getting major
airplay from US album 'Meet the Beatles' but couldn't chart
on the Hot 100 because there was no single issued (The Hot
100 then was quite sales-based).

When Capitol Of Canada 45s started leaking in and being
reported by select sales reporters, Billboard started to
allow it to chart.

Andy
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Any plans for an e-book version?
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Posted: 22 September 2022 at 3:45am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

bitman wrote:
Any plans for an e-book version?


Not at this time. Our e-book versions don't sell much at
all.
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I imagine the potential for future Gavin books of its other
charts will depend on the success of this book. If the AC
book ever gets updated, I hope it will also include chart
data from the AC charts published by Gavin as well as R&R
and Record World.

How did you access the Gavin charts at the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame? Do they have a library available to any
researcher?

Edited by Scanner on 28 September 2022 at 6:51pm
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Posted: 25 September 2022 at 4:14am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Scanner wrote:
How did you access the Gavin charts at the
Rock and Roll Hall of fame? Do they have a library
available to any researcher?


First we had to get permission, then we could either go
ourselves or (in this case) hire someone to scan the
charts for us. We've built a relationship with the
library staff over the years. I'm not sure what their
overall policy is, but I imagine you have to set up some
sort of appointment to access research materials.
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Thanks for the feedback, Paul. I never realized the RRHOF
had a research facility available to the public. It does
not seem as accessible or comprehensive as other libraries
(Lincoln Center, Library of Congress) where I have done
chart research, but could be something worth exploring
someday.
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Posted: 24 October 2022 at 9:19am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

I just approved the proofs from the printer this morning,
so this book appears to be right on schedule!
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What about Vol 2 of the Top Pop Singles book (1990-2021) isn't that supposed to come soon?

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