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Posted: 27 November 2021 at 12:02am | IP Logged Quote PopArchivist

I see only one US 7 inch for this song.

https://www.discogs.com/release/2137305-Evelyn-Thomas-High-E nergy

It says it times in at 2:55. Hopefully someone has another 45 or 45 promo and a dub of this. I am curious what the hit version of this song actually is.

The US 12'' Remix has an 8:35 of the song.
The 12'' is 7:51 and is available on Now UK 12'' 80's
The Extended is 6:48 and available on Dance Classics The Hits Vol 16.
The LP is 5:28 and easily obtainable.
There is a 3:51 edit (The UK 45?) that opens with the instrumental 15 second famous beat and is on Best Disco In Town Vol. 1 Disc 2. This version I seem to remember got played on Z-100 and WKTU back in the day. Huge hit.
There is a 3:41 edit on Greatest Hits of the 80s Disc 7 that opens up with the vocal for 31 seconds and then starts the famous beat. This version seems to match the video for the song.
The 2:55 is on the 7'' in the United States and it is nowhere on youtube etc soI have not heard it. The B-Side is the 3:48 UK version ( https://www.45cat.com/record/tr106us

Anyone have any insight into which is the "hit" radio version? If it helps any Whitburn has a 3:48 listing in the pop annual but have no idea what U.S. 45 that is based on. Thanks.

PS This CD seems to match the time on Whitburn's commercial 45 listing

https://www.discogs.com/release/3448527-Evelyn-Thomas-Greate st-Hits

Edited by PopArchivist on 27 November 2021 at 12:35am


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Posted: 27 November 2021 at 7:24pm | IP Logged Quote Fetta

Hey Richie,

Here is the US 45 version on youtube to hear what is sounds
like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shAKs7Nbff4

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Posted: 28 November 2021 at 2:23pm | IP Logged Quote smallworld

In similar off topic, HiNRG fashion, does anyone know about
the correct US 45 version of "Evergreen" by Hazell Dean?
Discogs has a listed time of 3:15. There are a couple of
videos on YouTube in the 3:30-3:40 range but I suspect that
they're simply fan edits.
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Posted: 28 November 2021 at 5:17pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

Is the 2:54 45 version of High Energy an edit of the 3:51
version?

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Posted: 28 November 2021 at 6:14pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

I just tried to edit the 3:51 version to match the 45 after
listening to it on the YouTube link and the 45 may have
unique audio, not sure.

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Posted: 28 November 2021 at 11:15pm | IP Logged Quote PopArchivist

eriejwg wrote:
Is the 2:54 45 version of High Energy an edit of the 3:51
version?


That is a question for our resident audiophile expert Aaron to determine. My gut says yes after listening.

Either way I can't find a listing on discogs for anything but the 2:55 45 version. There has to be one for the 3:48, otherwise Paul wouldn't have put the 3:48 as the commercial release in the Whitburn annual.....

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Posted: 28 November 2021 at 11:36pm | IP Logged Quote PopArchivist

Fetta wrote:
Hey Richie,

Here is the US 45 version on youtube to hear what is sounds
like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shAKs7Nbff4

-Jeff


Thanks Jeff....that part from 1:49-1:51 sounds unique to the 45...in the 3:51 the transition at 2:04-2:07 is "ooh high" which is different and the 2:54 just fades out while the 3:51 just comes to a sudden stop ending.

Another version that aired in 1984 is the NY Hot Tracks one that is 3:24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftH3c3WrfUM

Now this 2015 version is HI-NRG! She still has a great voice. The beat is insane!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW4oypdBvlI

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Posted: 29 November 2021 at 2:43am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

PopArchivist wrote:
The 2:55 is on the 7'' in the United
States and it is nowhere on youtube etc soI have not
heard it. The B-Side is the 3:48 UK version.

Anyone have any insight into which is the "hit" radio
version? If it helps any Whitburn has a 3:48 listing in
the pop annual but have no idea what U.S. 45 that is
based on. Thanks.


That's the 45 we have in the RR collection. We show the
B-side as (short version), so we obviously considered the
(3:48) UK version to be the "hit" version at the time.

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Posted: 29 November 2021 at 11:06am | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

Over at 45cat, the 2:55 version is listed as the A side:

A side

The 3:48 UK version is listed as the AA side.


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Posted: 29 November 2021 at 1:42pm | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Actual photo of the record in the RR collection. The green sticker is affixed to Side AA, indicating that we
consider that side to be the "hit" side...

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Posted: 29 November 2021 at 5:42pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

I ordered a 45 from Discogs today since the short version
appears to have some unique audio. After listening to it on
YouTube, I actually prefer the short version. Obviously,
the 3:51 version is easily obtainable digitally.

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Posted: 22 September 2022 at 9:58am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

This one is a mess.

I have a stock 45 only, as there doesn't appear to be a dedicated promo 45. Side A has a printed time of 2:55 and actual time of 4:05. Side AA has a listed time of 3:48 and actual time of 2:52. Apparently, the labels on my copy were swapped, given that the actual run times are much closer to the printed times on the opposite sides.

Based on different photos I can see on eBay right now, some copies appear to have the labels applied to the correct sides. The pressing I own has both the artist and title at the bottom of the label and only the record company logo at the top. There are 45s that have Evelyn Thomas just beneath the logo at the top of the 45's label. Those 45s appear to have the wider runout groove on the printed 2:55 side, whereas mine has a very wide runout groove on the side with a printed 3:48 time.

OK, now that the label mess is sorted out, we come to another more serious mess. The 45 edits on both sides have been mastered with Dolby A noise reduction turned on when playing a non-Dolby encoded tape. (For a detailed explanation, see the discussion in "Puttin' On The Ritz" regarding Dolby/dbx NR: http://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3253.)

Neither the A- nor B-sides appear on any CD copies I own, but both are the same mix and are taken from the 7:50 Original Version found on the US 12". As a side note, the improperly applied Dolby A noise reduction also appears on the US 12". This mix can be found on CD but without the NR applied. As Rich points out, it's on the Now 12" 80s set, and I'm sure it's been on several other discs. Unidisc in Canada issued a slightly edited version running 6:46 on the CD "Dance Classics The Hits Vol. 16," and interestingly, this CD does have the improperly applied Dolby A noise reduction turned back on, so it's sounds slightly muffled.

As for the 4:05 (3:48 printed) edit, it's out of sequence, and it requires more than a half dozen edits. You'll need a 45 dub as your guide. If you start with the 6:46 version on the Unidisc CD, there will be a place you get stuck, as a few seconds of audio needed for the 45 version has been edited out of the CD copy, not to mention the end result will sound a little muffled. A better bet would be to start with a CD copy that doesn't have the NR (as I'm sure this was unintentional when the 45 edit was made in 1984) and be sure you have the full 7:50 version to work with.

The short 2:52 version is edited down from the 4:05 version.

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Posted: 22 September 2022 at 10:08am | IP Logged Quote promojunkie

Aaron, you just solved a 37 year old mystery for me! Z-
100 in NY played that 4:05 edit and I had searched for
it for years. I have it on an old cassette tape that I
recorded off the radio in 1985. It does have out of
sequence edits. I always assumed this was an in-house
custom edit so I stopped searching for another promo or
stock 45.   So what I am gathering is the 4:05 edit is not
labeled correctly on your stock 45? I had a stock 45 that
had a 2:55 version on one side and a 3:48 on the other,
from what I recall. I think this is the UK version and
matches most of the 3:48 versions on cd compilations. That
45 is long gone so I can't confirm.

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Posted: 22 September 2022 at 10:41am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

If your stock copy had a version that actually ran 3:48 on one side, then it's different than what's in front of me. I'll take a look to see if I have an additional stock copy that differs. The 3:48 edit on CD does not match my 45. The CD comp version has a cold ending, whereas this 4:05 edit fades out at the end.

Edited by aaronk on 22 September 2022 at 10:43am


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Posted: 22 September 2022 at 10:54am | IP Logged Quote promojunkie

Yes, my 45 definitely did not have a 4:05 edit. I
remember going out to a local record store to buy the 45
back in 1984 when the song was released and being
disappointed that the longer version was not there. I
thought the 2:55 edit was too choppy. The 4:05 edit flows
better. The UK version was kind of flat.

Edited by promojunkie on 22 September 2022 at 11:04am


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Posted: 22 September 2022 at 11:19am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

To reiterate, the printed time on 4:05 side is 3:48. The deadwax is:

TR-106-A ~~ (long side)
TR-106-AA MISS PIGGY LIVES (short side)

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this is the version that was on the flip side of my stock
45 - 3:48 timing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=IRLcizRy5Qw&ab_channel=menchitty11

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Nope, that's not even close to what's on my copy. Clearly there are two US pressings with different versions. Does the UK version appear on CD? The "Best Disco In Town Vol 1" has a 3:48 edit, but it's edited from the 7:50 12" version. The UK mix you point to on YouTube is a totally different mix and also doesn't match what I have on CD.

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Posted: 22 September 2022 at 12:14pm | IP Logged Quote promojunkie

Yes, The UK version is easily found on several
compilations. It appears the two edits you have on your
stock 45 are not available on cd that I have found.   I
have a dub of the UK version from this compilation:

https://www.discogs.com/release/4346760-Various-Anthems-
Collection

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Posted: 22 September 2022 at 3:37pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

There are two different US 45 pressings, because I discovered I also have the other pressing--the one with Evelyn Thomas at the top of the label next to the logo. This pressing has a different version on the long side, matching the YouTube link, and probably does run 3:48. I didn't time it, but I knew immediately it was different. It starts with just vocals and a keyboard synth.

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